Apparently they've deprecated Postgres support and now only recommend sqlite as the storage backend. I have nothing against sqlite but to me this looks like Tailscale actively signaling what they think the expected use of headscale is.
> Scaling / How many clients does Headscale support?
> It depends. As often stated, Headscale is not enterprise software and our focus is homelabbers and self-hosters. Of course, we do not prevent people from using it in a commercial/professional setting and often get questions about scaling.
> Please note that when Headscale is developed, performance is not part of the consideration as the main audience is considered to be users with a modest amount of devices. We focus on correctness and feature parity with Tailscale SaaS over time. [...]
> Headscale calculates a map of all nodes that need to talk to each other, creating this "world map" requires a lot of CPU time. When an event that requires changes to this map happens, the whole "world" is recalculated, and a new "world map" is created for every node in the network. [...]
> Headscale will start to struggle when [there are] e.g. many nodes with frequent changes will cause the resource usage to remain constantly high. In the worst case scenario, the queue of nodes waiting for their map will grow to a point where Headscale never will be able to catch up, and nodes will never learn about the current state of the world.
I find that quite interesting and it is one of the reasons I've not really considered trying out Headscale myself.
Why? Makes perfect sense to me. Designing a product with a specific use case in mind is good. When you've got the limited resources of am open source volunteer project, trying to solve every problem is a recipe for burnout. If it can even be done.
I mean this is a great advertisement in and of itself. Something being considered "enterprise software" means it will have 90% more features than needed, the code will be a combination of dozens of different mid-level devs new perfect abstractions and will only test code paths through all those features that the original enterprise valued. I.E. it is great if you work in an enterprise as it will generate a lot of work with an easy scapegoat.
I dont understand what these two have to do with anything? The db-use is almost trivial, and SQLite can be embedded. Why would we want wasted effort and configuration complexity on supporting postgres?
TIL! My problem with them requiring sqlite was that I assumed it would make a high availability setup either hard or impossible. Maybe that's not true, but definitely off the beaten path for headscale.
Yeah, Headscale people don't hide that it's a toy. I didn't get a homelab full of datacentre-grade equipment because I want to use toy, nonscaling solutions with vastly incomplete feature sets, but for the exact opposite reason.
On a different note; the HN obsession with SQLite these days is getting a bit tiresome.
ghrl|29 days ago
> Scaling / How many clients does Headscale support? > It depends. As often stated, Headscale is not enterprise software and our focus is homelabbers and self-hosters. Of course, we do not prevent people from using it in a commercial/professional setting and often get questions about scaling. > Please note that when Headscale is developed, performance is not part of the consideration as the main audience is considered to be users with a modest amount of devices. We focus on correctness and feature parity with Tailscale SaaS over time. [...] > Headscale calculates a map of all nodes that need to talk to each other, creating this "world map" requires a lot of CPU time. When an event that requires changes to this map happens, the whole "world" is recalculated, and a new "world map" is created for every node in the network. [...] > Headscale will start to struggle when [there are] e.g. many nodes with frequent changes will cause the resource usage to remain constantly high. In the worst case scenario, the queue of nodes waiting for their map will grow to a point where Headscale never will be able to catch up, and nodes will never learn about the current state of the world.
I find that quite interesting and it is one of the reasons I've not really considered trying out Headscale myself.
fooqux|29 days ago
eikenberry|29 days ago
I mean this is a great advertisement in and of itself. Something being considered "enterprise software" means it will have 90% more features than needed, the code will be a combination of dozens of different mid-level devs new perfect abstractions and will only test code paths through all those features that the original enterprise valued. I.E. it is great if you work in an enterprise as it will generate a lot of work with an easy scapegoat.
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jscd|29 days ago
[1]: https://tailscale.com/blog/database-for-2022
markonen|29 days ago
khana|29 days ago
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tucnak|29 days ago
On a different note; the HN obsession with SQLite these days is getting a bit tiresome.