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zmgsabst | 29 days ago

> I guess we could remove DNA and see what happens ...

If I have a stool with three legs, and remove one leg causing it to fall, can I conclude that removed leg is what made it stand?

You’re making the same mistake as before in reverse: DNA would do nothing without a host cell or chemical signals, either.

> Somehow the machinary is passed down: Do we know of another mechanism besides DNA that is self-perpetuating?

The system as a whole is self-perpetuating, but DNA is not self-perpetuating: without a host cell and without ambient chemical signals, it cannot propagate. That’s in contrast to ribozymes which can be self-catalyzing RNA, ie, truly self-propagating chemicals.

In the RNA world hypothesis, such self-catalyzation was the origin of life; and by the time DNA evolved, it did so within a running biological system and as merely one component of cellular replication.

As a whole the system of chemical signals, DNA, and cellular machinery propagates; but just like our stool example, removing any of the factors causes that to fail.

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mmooss|29 days ago

The DNA removal comment was as joke; sorry if that wasn't clear.

No system is self-perpetuating, per the Second Law; all need other inputs. What makes the machinary yield the ~same results ~every time is DNA.

> In the RNA world hypothesis, such self-catalyzation was the origin of life; and by the time DNA evolved, it did so within a running biological system and as merely one component of cellular replication.

Is there evidence of that? Afaik the earliest evidence is prokaryotes ~~3.5 billion years ago, and prokaryotes generally have DNA.