[nickslaughter02]

> the European Union risks subordination, division and deindustrialision all at once

Whose fault is that? Who is constantly forcing regulations which hurt EU industries?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Green_Deal#Job_losses...

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/12/16/eu-carmakers-t...

Instead of fixing the problems they have created they are now placing taxes on imported heavy goods.

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2026/01/01/eus-carbon-bor...

[sigmoid10]

The regulations mentioned there are not necessarily wrong though. Decarbonisation and renewables are no longer purely environmental concerns, they are key objectives for the European security strategy to remove dependence on foreign tyrants and dictators. These jobs would have disappeared sooner or later anyways. But lots of new ones will be created in these new industries. The EU is merely getting dragged down by the established traditional fossil industry that wants to delay the transition as long as possible to squeeze every cent out of the market while they can. But this is bad for literally everyone involved in the long term. The only thing that is benefiting are next-quarter based exec bonuses. If Europe actually allowed for a disruptive startup environment (which unfortunately has its own set of safety issues), these companies would have been handed their lunch by now.

[rapsey]

> they are key objectives for the European security strategy to remove dependence on foreign tyrants and dictators.

Lol european security strategy? We switched from Russian dependence, to a more expensive US dependence. While also being strongly dependent on middle eastern gas and oil. What the hell kind of strategy is that?

[lynx97]

> remove dependence on foreign tyrants

Ahh, thats why the EU is moving to LNG, now I get it!

[mono442]

There are countries in the EU with sizeable coal reserves like Poland, Germany or Czech Republic. Current policies force them to abandon it and switch to natural gas which needs to be imported.

[saubeidl]

Fossil Fuels are dead, man.

Renewables are the future and the EU is amongst the leaders. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/jan/22/wind-and...

[4gotunameagain]

Up until recently, paying a small price to benefit the environment made sense.

Unfortunately, with the recent geopolitical shenanigans it doesn't any more.

Heck, we'll start burning oil like mad to fuel the re-armament.

Maybe after the next large war, there won't be many humans left and at least it will be good for the environment I guess ?

[direwolf20]

Renewables don't just benefit the environment. They're literally free energy machines, perpetual motion alike. You want as much energy as possible for as cheap as possible, you want renewables. You want energy sovereignty without fuel imports, you want renewables.

Apart from the part where you don't get to choose when they generate. Hopefully less of an issue in a continent–sized interconnected grid.

[triceratops]

> Heck, we'll start burning oil like mad to fuel the re-armament.

Drones are the hot new thing in warfare. They run on electricity.

[PurpleRamen]

The regulations are for the long-term-benefit of the EU, and it's citizen, even though they may come with some short-term-harm. This is always a bit of a problem, does one plan for the coming 50 years, or just the next reports of whatever makes you rich.

The joke here is, China is a master of long-term-planning and execution, which is why they are on the rise now. Yet many complain, take china as a threat and demand brain-dead short-term-solutions, leading to even more long-term-problems.

[nickslaughter02]

> The regulations are for the long-term-benefit of the EU

Will Europe still exist when they are done making it better?