[Orygin]

I know it's real. But it doesn't excuse giving away one's values just because something inconvenienced them.

As an example, do I find some vegans annoying on the internet? Yes. Does it mean I will instead start supporting carnism, or push back on veganism? No, absolutely not. Because these are values I have, and no actions of others can change what I value.

[iamnothere]

The fundamental values don’t often change, but if you alienate people enough they will shift their activities to supporting a different cause they care about, or give up and tune out entirely. It’s self-defeating. You can’t win with radicals alone.

[Orygin]

> You can’t win with radicals alone.

I'm not saying you can, I'm saying if any radicalism is met with knee-jerk rejection of the cause, then you never really held these values.

Most social progress has been made because of radicalism not in spite of.