[analognoise]

Trump is now -30 with Latinos.

This is generational damage for anyone (R), and we’re only a year in. They’re losing elections in Trump +17 districts.

Never interrupt your enemy when they’re making a mistake.

[jfengel]

I'd be very interested in hearing from anybody who switched position from positive to negative in that group.

What did they think they were voting for?

[threatofrain]

The only calculation forward must be that the Latino vote doesn’t matter. It’s not obvious who is sleeping at the wheel.

[analognoise]

Agreed, the only calculation that makes sense is if they try to dismantle elections to stay in power. It’s the only way it makes sense.

I don’t think they were counting on so much hate that ICE agents were quitting long before getting their bonuses, or being so reviled; in their fantasy they were lauded as saviors, not mocked so badly that ICE agents quit.

I increasingly notice people say they were “never MAGA, I was always independent”. It’s been a noticeable shift.

[Der_Einzige]

I'm willing to bet at least 1000 USD that a sufficiently trumpian republican in 2028 will be able to get near or even more latino votes than trump did.

They LOVE the cruelty. The people who hate immigrants most are other immigrants. Brazil didn't end slavery until 1888 and it continued de-facto far longer than it did in the USA. Spain/Portugal were far more cruel/racist than the English and especially french were. Their history is one of extreme, virulent racism.

Even today, they make huge distinctions between the "European" white mexicans who are "untainted" by indigenous blood.

Latinos also are extremely anti-LGBT, and used to be catholic but are having their own evangelization sweeping through their communities (I am personally witnessing it right now). That evangelization is primary in reaction to the precieved liberalism of the current and previous pope.

[analognoise]

I’m going to ignore the racism at first, and point out that your argument can be disproven by the facts already stated: Trump is underwater with Latinos.

If you were right and Latinos just loved cruelty, why would this current push make Trump unpopular?

Second off: this is wildly racist. “Latinos” is clearly a massive brush, and then you make some point about how they “distinguish” whiteness, but again that wasn’t what you were trying to prove.

Your understanding of colonial oppression as being “better” under the French wouldn’t go down well in Haiti, or the English in India (or Ireland, etc, etc). Is Belgian Congo and King Leopold II in our class trading, or not?

It’s like you tried for three separate thoughts by shooting from the hip, but started off without basic reasoning and a massive dose of easily dispelled racism?