[5ersi]

It uses phase change (solid to liquid) to store heat at about 200 kJ/kg. Compare this to heating water in a boiler from 10c to 60c - stores 209 kJ/kg.

So we already have an effective way to store heat which can work for decades without servicing and is also cheap to produce (in terms of money and energy consumption).

[thescriptkiddie]

one difference is that a phase change stores energy at constant temperature, which may be desirable given that heat pump efficiency is inversely proportional to temperature output temperature

[elric]

What about heat per unit of volume? Seems like the selling point is that a pretty small box can service a whole bathroom. Presumably it has a higher density than water and requires less insulation?

[leoedin]

I think this is the most crucial part. External heat pumps are OK - people install air conditioners everywhere already - but most houses/apartments aren't set up for large water tanks. The interior heat storage needs to be comparable in size to the existing gas boiler.

[raffraffraff]

I don't know why these aren't used more in building fabric. There's a youtuber who makes these phase change solutions out of various salt mixes aiming for the correct change temperature for a specific application. Eg he made panels for his shed roof (keeps it cooler in sun, warmer at night). Obviously this works better to smooth out large, reliable daily temperature swings, and offers little to someone in a constantly hot or constantly cold place.

I live in Ireland where night/day temperature swings are small. To cool my attic on a hot summer day I'd need to move that heat into a large water tank that gets used for laundry, cleaning, showers etc and is refilled from cold mains water. But fitting an air to water heat exchanger inside my attic would be a big expense and I would have to make sure I didn't freeze the attic.

Regular air to water heat pump could be hooked into my existing tank I suppose?

[TobTobXX]

The name of the YT channel is NightHawkInLight[0] btw. Absolutely worth checking out. He creates materials with extremely useful properties from household materials (eg. PCM (high heat capacity), highly reflective paintings, Aerocrete (high insulation/fire resistance), ...)

[0]: https://youtube.com/@Nighthawkinlight

[Marsymars]

There are also existing commercially-available residential units (e.g. Ecombi or Steffes) using ceramic bricks that are in the ~450 kJ/kg range.

[sbierwagen]

Note for the confused: Ecombi achieves this by heating the bricks to dramatically higher temperatures using conventional resistive heating elements, thereby storing more energy, even though the specific heat capacity of any ceramic material is dramatically inferior to that of water.

But, as a result, Ecombi has a much lower system efficiency than a heat pump, since it's essentially just a space heater pointed at a rock. It only makes sense for jurisdictions with time-of-day variable pricing of electricity, and trades off simplicity and low initial purchase price for lifetime cost.

[LoganDark]

I feel stagnant water would be more annoying for maintenance than something like salt hydrates.

[jcattle]

Does heating water in a boiler work well with a heat pump? How about a release of energy 10 hours later (peak solar at noon, to first shower the next morning)?

I actually don't know the answer. I'm just thinking that there must be more to it, if the answer was as simple as "just heat water".

[moooo99]

It does. However, the hotter the water becomes, the less effective the heatpump becomes. With anything beyond 60C becoming very inefficient.

With hot water tanks, they are unfortunately pretty badly insulated as well, with some of them loosing heat very quickly. Depending on how you plan on using that water, you also have to make sure the temperature never dips below ~60C to avoid legionella from spreading.

I actually think that heating your home slighly higher than you‘d usually do is the simplest and most effective approach, assuming it is properly insulated. Just rise the target temp for 1-2C when the energy is cheap and reset it once it isn‘t. Probably not as efficient, but extremely simple to implement.

[masklinn]

> Does heating water in a boiler work well with a heat pump?

Sure, heat pump hot water tanks are a thing. Air-to-water heat pumps are less efficient than air-to-air as they need to reach higher target temperatures, but it will be more efficient that straight resistive heating by a factor of 2 at low input temperatures, and 3+-ish at high summer temps.

The primary concern would be the quality of the tank’s insulation. I would hope HPHWTs are good on that but if you’re looking into that you probably want to double check the heat loss of the tank.

[Alex-Programs]

Heat transfer is based on temperature difference, not heat difference. This way ought to reduce heat losses and improve efficiency.