[exodust]

[flagged]

[beAbU]

It has always been illegal and morally reprehensible to create, own, distribute or store sexually explicit material that represents a real person without their consent, regardless if they are underage or not.

Grok is a platform that is enabling this en masse. If xAI can't bring in guardrails or limit who can access these capabilities, then they deserve what's coming to them.

[GaryBluto]

>It has always been illegal and morally reprehensible to create, own, distribute or store sexually explicit material that represents a real person without their consent, regardless if they are underage or not.

Arguably morally reprehensible but it has not always been illegal (and still isn't in many places) if you're talking about images of adults.

[sandworm101]

>> or store sexually explicit material that represents a real person without their consent

Who told you that? Go ask Pamela Anderson or Paris Hilton about that one. There are rules about material created without consent, but people do not retain a perpetual right to have formerly consentual material taken down. Hollywood, let alone the porn industry, would collapse overnight if every disgruntled star could have movies removed whenever they feel like it simply by withdrawing "consent" years after creation.

And for copyright, generally the person on camera is not holding the camera and so is not the creator/owner of the material. That is a regular issue where people attempt to use the dmca to remove images of themselves from websites.

[actionfromafar]

I think you are going a bit too far.

Let's start from the beginning, create and own:

You're sketching out some nude fanart on a piece of paper. You created that and own that. Thas has always been illegal?!

(This is apart from my feelings on Mechahitler/Grok, which aren't positive.)

[master-lincoln]

In which broken society do you live where this is true? I would say drawing sexually explicit pictures of real persons without their consent and keeping them in your drawer is neither illegal nor morally reprehensible in most of the world.

I am with you on publishing these...

[ed_elliott_asc]

At my kids school the children have been using grok to create pics of other children without clothes on - chatgpt etc won’t let you do that - grok needs some controls and x seem unable to do that themselves.

[YetAnotherNick]

What would raiding the office achieve in this case apart from just showing off power.

[ImPleadThe5th]

[flagged]

[dang]

That's crossing into personal attack, and that's not allowed here, so please don't.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

[exodust]

> How about you come back when your daughter has a fake AI nude passed around school.

Like any bad behaviour, the grown-up response should be discipline and education.

There's a million ways kids can misbehave. The idea is to get kids ready for the real world, not pretend there's nothing bad out there.

Obviously we don't want "point and click" AI nudes in the hands of minors, or kids having their own AI accounts in the first place. Parents and educators pay for their kid's devices and internet connections. If they're not being responsible, you take away the privilege until they learn about respectful behaviour.

If the kid is allowed to stay out after dark but ends up doing crime at those times, we don't ask the government to impose a curfew on every kid. We discipline the kids involved. And that's my last comment in this thread thank God, what a struggle.

[joe_mamba]

In your hypothetical scenario, why aren't the school kids making and distributing fake nudes of his daughter be the ones getting in trouble?

Have we a outsourced all accountability for the crimes of humans to AI now?

[BlackFly]

I really find this kind of appeal quite odious. God forbid that we expect fathers to have empathy for their sons, sisters, brothers, spouses, mothers, fathers, uncles, aunts, etc. or dare we hope that they might have empathy for friends or even strangers? It's like an appeal to hypocrisy or something. Sure, I know such people exist but it feels like throwing so many people under the bus just to (probably fail) to convince someone of something by appealing to an emotional overprotectiveness of fathers to daughters.

You should want to protect all of the people in your life from such a thing or nobody.

[sapphicsnail]

So making CSAM of real people is ok if an AI is involved?

[Leynos]

Yes. All because sexual harassment and images depicting child sexual abuse.

[athrowaway3z]

You're defending X/Grok as if it's a public social platform.

It is a privately controlled public-facing group chat. Being a chat-medium does not grant you the same rights as being a person. France isn't America.

If a company operates to the detriment and against the values of a nation, e.g. not paying their taxes or littering in the environment, the nation will ask them to change their behavior.

If there is a conspiracy of contempt, at some point things escalate.

[Bluescreenbuddy]

If you bothered to do any research instead of downplaying it, you’d know why. It’s embarrassing you even typed that out

[exodust]

In other words: "I know a thing, but I won't say what. I condemn you for not knowing the thing."

Grok is censored, there's no question. Try it yourself. It can't even handle analysing a 19th century woodcut engraving containing topless mythical beings[1]. Grok refused because Grok has guardrails.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wood_of_the_Self-Murderers...

[peder]

Largely a left-wing echo chamber here (and also seems to be much more European here than the average forum), so everyone here all thinks Musk is doing something illegal just because he's right-wing.

These raids are entirely political.

[n4r9]

You want the French authorities to focus on the Epstein files to the exclusion of all other corporate misbehaviour?

Also, it seems pretty likely that Musk is tangled up with the Epstein shit. First Musk claimed he turned down offer to go to the island. Now it turns out Musk repeatedly sought to visit, including wanting to know when the "wildest" party was happening, after Epstein was already known as a child sex abuser. Musk claimed that Epstein had never been given a tour of SpaceX but it turns out he did in 2013. It's the classic narcissistic "lie for as long as possible" behaviour. Will be interesting to see what happens as more is revealed.

[ilogik]

The UK is also opening investigations into the Esptein stuff.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/starmers-government-aids-po...

Unlike the US administration which seems to be fine with what epstein and X are doing

[amelius]

I think the reasoning is that the AI contributes to more epsteins. In some way.

[cess11]

"Grok" is part of the Epstein network, connected through Elon Musk.

[owebmaster]

The same guy responsible for creating child porn that you are defending is also in the Epstein's list. Also, don't abbreviate child pornography, it shows you have a side on this