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MPSimmons | 27 days ago

The contagious nature of yawning is so weird. It has to be evolutionarily advantageous because it's so wide spread, but it's also non-obvious.

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nickthegreek|27 days ago

I literally yawned as I clicked on this article from my RSS reader. The contagious nature at the mere idea of a yawn is wild.

embedding-shape|27 days ago

I yawned as I read the title on the frontpage. Smiled a bit when I read the rest of the comments. Contagious beyond physical proximity sure is wild.

carlmr|27 days ago

I yawned when I read your comment.

davidw|27 days ago

Me too but I also wonder how much I'm influenced by knowing that that is supposed to happen.

InsideOutSanta|26 days ago

I want to yawn, but I'm fighting it. Not all heros wear capes.

B-Con|27 days ago

Yawing seems like it must be adventurous, the contagious part not so much.

Even the mention of a yawn can trigger it.

Perhaps we are almost always in a state of needing a yawn, but the trigger is seldom met, and seeing or hearing about it is enough to make our brain go "oh yeah I forgot about that".

Perhaps yawning is actually underdeveloped and an ideal human would yawn at regular intervals without any prompting.

kakacik|26 days ago

Not so much if you think about if from security point of view of our ancestors. Those 1-2s if we talk about proper yaw you are defenseless and clueless, its actually pretty dangerous during say high speed drive on tightly packed highway (as in every single car in all lanes goes too fast to handle any major driver's mistake). But its great for equalizing pressure in ear via eustach tube without the need to block & blow your nose, something both mountaineers/paragliders and divers are well aware of.

Same goes for sneezing, actually that's even worse for driving, I literally don't see anything for a second at least. Sometimes can be blocked, sometimes not so much.

clscott|27 days ago

A trait doesn’t have to be advantageous to persist just non-detrimental.

rtkwe|27 days ago

Yeah that's (to me) a more accurate framing, also evolution is bad at revisions so even if there are minor disadvantages to a setup so long as it's not affecting your ability to have and raise kids it's basically completely absent as far as evolution is concerned. For example there are some wild inefficiencies in body layout left over from fish body patterns where the nerve from the brain to the voice box wraps down around your aortic arch because the relative position of the throat, brain, and heart were very different in fish so the path it took then was more direct. It happens in humans and most hilariously in giraffes where it goes all the day down their enormous necks.

EA-3167|27 days ago

They can be detrimental too, especially if they're linked to beneficial traits. The test is ultimately whether or not the harm done is sufficiently disadvantageous that it interferes with reproductive fitness. Baldness is arguably detrimental, but it's linked to a bunch of recessive genes that function in other ways, and it doesn't impact us until we're likely to have already reproduced.

That's a simplification, but you get the idea.

frisbm|27 days ago

and not even that, I'd narrow it further to not detrimental before and during the prime reproductive periods of a species. After that period, detrimental traits are totally fair game and more dependent on technology, culture, and family care dynamics. Heart disease later in life caused by genetic predisposition to high cholesterol isn't something people generally select for or against in a partner, but its effects happen later in life well after people have children so it passes on.

CGMthrowaway|27 days ago

It is detrimental though. It is socially impolite to yawn in public.

Edit: why am I being downvoted for this?

HPsquared|27 days ago

It's a bit like laughing. Synchronise the mood of the group. I assume other mammals have contagious yawns too?

dcrazy|27 days ago

Cats certainly do.

Strangely, dogs sneeze to show deference.

wjb3|26 days ago

I think you're onto something here. Does anyone know if there are examples of very non-social species yawning (i.e., something that has a brief mating period with no prolonged pair bonding, and then it lays eggs and takes off)?

adrianmonk|26 days ago

There's probably a strong survival advantage in convincing whoever is leading a meeting that it's time to adjourn.

baggy_trough|26 days ago

It is strange how well yawning is conserved, even as far back as in reptiles, since it doesn't really seem to do anything.

kgwxd|27 days ago

Just about all our behaviors are contagious. Scratching, deep breath, emotion, looking in a certain direction, sudden alertness. If yawning were different, that would be weird.

nickthegreek|27 days ago

Most of those can also be done consciously though. Yawning is different. It is more inline with flatulence, crying, or vomiting. Actions that are in many ways, outside of our direct control.

Terr_|26 days ago

I assumed it was a kind of warning system: "Another member of the tribe detected impairment/fatigue and took measures to become more alert, perhaps you should raise alertness also."

rhcom2|26 days ago

Interesting you went in the opposite direction of my assumption, which was "another member is tired, perhaps we should all pack it it"