> Volkswagen (VOWG.DE), opens new tab overtook Tesla (TSLA.O), opens new tab in sales of fully-electric cars in Europe in 2025
This is pretty nonsensical. The VW _brand_ overtook Tesla in EV sales. However, VW AG (ie the VOWG.DE referenced above), has been outselling Tesla since about 2020. Audi and Seat and so forth are not independent companies in any meaningful way and their cars are for practical purposes the same as those sold under the VW brand.
It's already difficult getting your Tesla repaired, it's going to be a nightmare when Melon pivots away completely from EV which he will once it's obvious that he's getting crushed all around, not just in sales but design, functionality, etc.
The Skoda Enyaq (VRS model specifically) is the best EV I've driven/travelled in by quite some margin. Exceptionally good. I mention it because VAG group.
The whole story of Skoda is interesting because they were bought by Volkswagen as "budget" brand but kept their own development department. They get consistently pushed down as the cars shouldn't compete with VW but they do. It's not surprising they were able to adjust to EVs better than VW. If anything VW should learn something from their own Skoda but from what i've heard the VW deparments got very comfy and quite old (not in a good way).
Tesla has largely accomplished its original mission of “accelerating the world to sustainable energy”.
Tesla forced the entire industry to accelerate to EV. Toyota could have been that pioneer and mover.
Earlier this year Tesla adjusted their mission to push for “a world of amazing abundance” based on renewable energy, autonomous driving, robotics, and AI.
... I mean Tesla's first real production electric car (Model S) came out after the Leaf, and only a few months before VW AG's first production electric cars (VW had previously occasionally put out an electric version of the Golf on a small-scale basis, going back to _1992_, but those don't count, any more than the Tesla Roadster does). What _really_ happened is that, circa 2010, the economics started working; lithium ion batteries got into the cost range where it could work.
EVs were inevitable, and the timing was largely dictated by battery pricing.
Tesla deserves credit but it’s not Tesla that accelerated the world. It’s China.
Even today Ford’s CEO talks about Chinese cars when discussing what they’re worried about, not Tesla.
And then there’s also the battery cost revolution which is again being driven by Chinese companies, whereas Tesla’s in house design has largely failed.
wqaatwt|24 days ago
seg_lol|24 days ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Group
https://www.volkswagen-group.com/en/brands-and-brand-groups-...
breve|23 days ago
https://eu-evs.com/marketShare/ALL/Groups/Line/All-time-by-Q...
asplake|23 days ago
rsynnott|23 days ago
This is pretty nonsensical. The VW _brand_ overtook Tesla in EV sales. However, VW AG (ie the VOWG.DE referenced above), has been outselling Tesla since about 2020. Audi and Seat and so forth are not independent companies in any meaningful way and their cars are for practical purposes the same as those sold under the VW brand.
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andsoitis|23 days ago
Tesla forced the entire industry to accelerate to EV. Toyota could have been that pioneer and mover.
Earlier this year Tesla adjusted their mission to push for “a world of amazing abundance” based on renewable energy, autonomous driving, robotics, and AI.
https://www.tesla.com/about
rsynnott|23 days ago
EVs were inevitable, and the timing was largely dictated by battery pricing.
hshdhdhj4444|23 days ago
Even today Ford’s CEO talks about Chinese cars when discussing what they’re worried about, not Tesla.
And then there’s also the battery cost revolution which is again being driven by Chinese companies, whereas Tesla’s in house design has largely failed.