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It's not finance, it's your pensions

57 points| kome | 24 days ago |theloop.ecpr.eu

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kommunicate|19 days ago

I realize there's only so much you can fit into an article, but this article glosses over a monumental shift in welfare spending in the US: the transition from defined benefit retirement plans to defined contribution. It's not so simple as a split between private and public directed asset allocation: it affects the growth of companies that offer these plans and the wealth of participants in the plans.

The US has pushed the burden of retirement onto individuals, hoping that the private sector will offer incentives like 401k matching and generous health care plan subsidies, but this is a fundamental difference in who qualifies, what they receive, and how it's funded. These effects compound wealth and income inequality. If, for whatever reason, you're locked out from a job that would help pay for these programs, there's no coming back. You are dependent on the government at the same time as the government is underfunding the program you rely on. It's not a great situation.

csense|19 days ago

Defined benefit plans have a fatal flaw: If the promised benefits don't match investment returns, the difference has to come from somewhere. It comes from some combination of broken promises, higher taxes, higher interest rates and inflation. All of which are political hot potatoes.

Defined contribution plans don't have the same flaw. What you get out of it depends on how much money you put in and how much alpha your investments get. If you don't have enough to support a comfortable lifestyle in retirement, it's not the government's fault, it's user error: You didn't put enough money in, or you didn't invest it properly. The politicians set up systems to help you; "If you didn't use them properly, too bad, so sad, but it's not our fault," they say.

Marsymars|19 days ago

There's also the inescable truth at the root of supporting retirees (and others who aren't working) - in the end, people who aren't working are being supported by those who are working. Investments, pensions, etc. are all just an abstraction around that fundamental reality.

oxqbldpxo|19 days ago

It's simple, move to a nordic country if you can, but if you are rich stay put in the US.

dopamean|19 days ago

being rich is pretty great almost anywhere in the world including the nordic countries. it's only "better" in america if you value having a huge gap between you and the poorest people in the country.

SoftTalker|19 days ago

If you're not rich, you'll need to bring a needed skill and be employable. They are not interested in people coming in just to claim social benefits and contribute nothing back.

RupertSalt|19 days ago

What is the annual quota for naturalizing poor Americans up there? Or should I just overstay my visa? How much welfare will they hook me up with?

twoodfin|19 days ago

I think the point made by the article is that in either case you’ll be deeply invested in financial markets.

michaelmrose|19 days ago

How does the bottom 50%, those most effected, move anywhere.

betaby|19 days ago

I read the article but can't make any conclusion from it. Someone can explain in simpler terms?

marcosdumay|19 days ago

Governments pick the size of their country's financial markets when they decide what parts of society get traded in those markets.

Pension and healthcare are the two most obvious pieces governments can decide to "make it themselves" or "let companies solve it", and the later option creates the pieces of paper that get traded in financial markets and "frees" money to buy those papers.

And the article ends with the obvious notice that "large markets" is not something good by itself.

rawgabbit|19 days ago

He seems to be saying that Funded Pensions like 401k can lead to asset inflation such as high housing prices. While public pensions which are pay as you such as Social Security do not lead to financialization and asset bubbles.

It was a tough read. He should tighten his word choice.

bluGill|19 days ago

The more people trust their pension system the less they invest their own money.

appplication|19 days ago

It’s not just you, I also read it and had little idea what the central thesis was. I see there are a number of points made but the author could do better job bringing it all together.

jdasdf|19 days ago

>Public pensions and family benefits may seem old-fashioned compared with asset-based solutions. But they provide security without locking households into markets, without generating trillion-dollar investment pools, and without driving asset inflation that prices younger generations out of housing and wealth. Sometimes, the non-assetising path may simply be better.

It's an obvious propaganda post intended to demonize the financial markets, and promote unsustainable social security policies.

aeternum|19 days ago

So why have pensions rather than direct ownership and control via a 401k?

It's pretty obvious that pension fund managers have ulterior motives. It also seems insane that a bad pension fund or company directors can destroy people's retirement.

edu|19 days ago

Hugged to death?