[Flemlord]

I can't believe AI music hasn't hit the mainstream yet. It's the most amazing thing I've seen since my original ChatGPT 3.5 wtf experience. https://suno.com/playlist/fe6b642c-f4a8-4402-b775-806348640e...

This song was generated from my 2-sentence prompt about a botched trash pickup: https://suno.com/s/Bdo9jzngQ4rvQko9

[wasmainiac]

Because people don’t want to listen to robots. There was a radio station here in Norway caught playing AI music to save on royalties, it was not good for them.

[Flemlord]

The concept of AI music is extremely polarizing. One friend I played it for got visibly angry. Oddly none of the anti-‘s were musicians themselves.

[nilkn]

AI music on a radio station doesn't really make sense. The point is to be able to create custom music tuned to your own tastes -- music that's specifically for you.

[rafram]

Music is about the human experience, emotions, mistakes, accidents, discoveries.

I could listen to music by real people being vulnerable and expressing themselves, or I could listen to a computer soullessly regurgitating a stock "blues" melody with inane lyrics about a trash can. Why would I ever pick the latter?

[markvdb]

> Music is about the human experience, emotions, mistakes, accidents, discoveries.

Pro musician here.

There's piles upon piles of human-generated music soullessly regurgitating stock patterns with inane lyrics since long before Alan Turing was even flown in by the stork. Most recent popular music by far is bland sausage factory production.

Why not allow yourself to be moved by beautiful music, wheter it's machine generated or not?

[CSSer]

Respectfully, 25 years ago someone might've said the same thing about you spending any time online at all. Today, people spend far more time on all number of "artificial" experiences. I'm not going to try to convince you that it's good or lasting or even personally entertaining to me, but it seems that it's entertaining to someone.

[ben_w]

Art can be about that, but if it was only about that for everyone, we would never have had Britney Spears autotuned so hard that my mother assumed she was already listening to a soulless computer when she first heard Spears in c. 2000.

Me, I see the patterns too fast to even care for a second play of recorded music from a real human, only theme songs for nostalgia-inducing shows have enough of an emotional kick to get past that.

GenAI music has all the same problems as GenAI images (try asking Suno for "Just fox noises" to see what happens out of distribution), but collectively it has at least been a bit harder for me to spot the pattern behind them in aggregate, even if each song by itself still has the same problem for me as any other recording.

[em-bee]

funny, i feel the same about most pop music from the last few decades. human created repetitive junk without originality.

[bramhaag]

These songs sound like royalty-free stock music at best. Bland and inoffensive, with the same uncanny and compressed quality that AI-generated images have too.

Borderline acceptable for elevator music is a long way from the paradigm shift you claim it is.

[kevin_thibedeau]

There are a lot of much better examples on YouTube. They only hit the uncanny valley when vocals with insipid lyrics are included.

[giozaarour]

it's not art (for humans) if it's not made by a human with a human story. AI can be used as the tool with which art is made, but not as the maker itself. now, on the other hand, maybe AI can make it's own form of art for other AI's to consume. However, for the human, the creation of art will always need the human taste and story involved

[mbirth]

You can replace the story with log output, though:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=atcqMWqB3hw

From the author:

> The instrumental and vocals were both generated using Suno with a lot fiddling around with the prompts. The video was edited by a human in kdenlive :-)

[em-bee]

telling the AI what kind of music i want is not a story? what if i write the lyrics and use AI to add music? or if i use AI to create a song but then play and sing the song with my own instruments and voice? is reciting music not also art?

what about DJing? all DJs are doing is replaying someone elses music and recombining it in creative ways. and that is considered art. isn't that similar to telling an AI what melodies or songs to use?

i'd agree that a fully AI generated song without any human input is not art, but i would not completely reject AI use either. there is a middle ground somewhere, where that is depends on the intention of the creator.

[codethief]

From the OP:

> For complex AI generated music, tools like Suno and Udio are obviously in a different league as they're trained specifically on audio and can produce genuinely impressive results. But that's not what this experiment was about.

[conception]

It definitely has. Spotify regularly recommends AI artists.

Stuff like this - https://www.nme.com/news/music/ai-generated-country-track-wa...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/meet-the-woman-behind-chart-top...

Etc

[jjfoooo4]

If you can generate a song with a two sentence prompt, so can anyone else. Music and art is only interesting when there’s originality or a point of view being expressed.

I really think art (as in art that’s made for it’s own sake, as opposed to jazzing up a PowerPoint slide or whatever) is by definition something AI will not make inroads in

[conception]

I feel like you’ve never ran into pop culture before. It was algorithmic before AI.

[olivia-banks]

I wouldn't be surprised if it has, or is currently in the process of, doing so. The results are good enough at this point that I think you could probably drop a few songs into a popular Spotify playlist and someone who didn't listen too closely would be fooled. I assume someone is already doing this.

[lexandstuff]

It has hit the mainstream imo. Most people are content with the amount of music already available.

[canjobear]

There's already a huge amount of AI generated music on Youtube.

[t0bia_s]

Guess who is an audience of generated music? Those who prompt it.

[thousand_nights]

music is a form of storytelling and expression of human emotions, i can't connect with some generated noise or go to its live gig

[sdf2erf]

This is why posts here that are not purely tech related have to be taken with a grain of salt. Total disconnect from what caters the tastes and preferences of most people.

[kypro]

I agree. It's shockingly good.

It's not just good at producing complete songs though, AI has made it trivial to take garbage and make it sound good.

I largely stopped making music because imo unless you're in the top 5% of musicians AI is probably able to write better music than you.

I guess it's the same with visual artists. Unless you're really, really good it's hard to understand why anyone would produce art by hand these days.

[dfltr]

We make art because humans are compelled to express themselves. That's it. That's the whole thing. It's not stack ranked. Humans make art because, in the words of Pile, "I want answers to some questions that I can’t speak."

The idea that you'd stop trying to express yourself because you're comparing your own artistic voice to the output of an LLM and somehow seeing it as less valid, or less worthwhile, is just sad.

I don't mean that as an insult, I mean it's genuinely sad for you and for all of us as a species.

[63]

There were always musicians who were better than you. If that didn't stop you, why did AI? Were you only making music to be the best? Surely you knew that was extraordinarily unlikely. If you like making music, then make music and like it.

[wrs]

If the reason you were making music wasn't that you enjoyed making music, perhaps stopping is the right choice for you. If that was the reason, then AI is irrelevant.

I do enjoy making music, and I don't do it "by hand". I use lots of tools (instruments, electronics, a computer for recording and mixing, the internet for distribution). As long as I'm the one directing the tools, it's still art and it's still my music.

[jader201]

> I largely stopped making music because imo unless you're in the top 5% of musicians AI is probably able to write better music than you.

It won't be long before this becomes:

> I largely stopped making _____ because imo unless you're in the top 5% of making _____ AI is probably able to make _____ better than you.

Especially where _____ is anything that can be created digitally.