[Fezzik]

I just started taking Wegovy. Went the regulated route through my doctor, getting a prescription. She’s been monitoring loads of patients and noted that some of her patients going the ‘compound’ route had, in fact, had allergic reactions to their shots, or experienced their shots being less effective, after months of no problems. Nothing life threatening. But the fact is there is no oversight to what the GLP-1 is compounded with.

[cthalupa]

> experienced their shots being less effective

People report this with HPLC tested stuff that is proven to be of the same purity/concentration too, "feels" reports are notoriously unreliable in medicine.

[Balgair]

My company makes HPLCs.

Yes, they can 'prove' what is in something to the limits of the physics.

However, the human in the loop is quite frail for most operators. In that, these very fancy and very expensive instruments are mostly run by high school grads and serviced by field engineers with a huge backlog.

For a first time one off test of something's composition, I'd go for at least 3 companies and preferably you have a history with them. This stuff is terribly complicated and misinterpretation is shockingly common. If the tech hasn't used the standards before then your at the mercy of fate.

Like, we have 5 (!) places on the home screen that do the exact same function of ending a run because when we try to consolidate it to just 1, our customers freak out and can't find where the button went to. Granted they pay $100k+ per instrument plus service plan, so we add it back in no question ( and this is life critical equipment in many cases), but I hope that shows how embedded to routine these operators get.

[Fezzik]

What she presented to me was that more than one of her patients taking unregulated GLP-1s simply stopped losing weight, and in an unexpected way. I have no idea how many patients this was. My doctor is rad and very much pro-GLP-1s and pro-preventative-care. This is ultimately an anecdote.

[terminalshort]

You had the choice to go the expensive route and you took it. Don't tell other people they can't make their own choices too.

[phil21]

Personally I feel the hims etc of this world need to go away. They give a false sense of security and they mask an incredibly shady industry.

I also think people should be able to source from the grey market if they can figure it out. This means they understand the risks and likely take measures like ensuring their compounds are properly tested before injecting them.

I’d feel differently if I didn’t understand how the average medspa gets their product and the corners they cut. I honestly trust some outright black market dealers better than most of those shops. They actually do testing on their product before shipping it. Likely sourced from exactly the same manufacturer as the guy in the locker room buys from.

So long as the choices are informed I agree. The issue is hims/hers puts a fancy veneer of “sanctioned medical system” on top of what amounts to a black market. They are laundering and obscuring the risk and many patients simply do not understand this fact.

It’s the difference between buying Xanax from a legit pharmacy vs a street dealer. The street dealer transaction you understand the risks involved and are making an informed decision. If you thought you were buying from a legit pharmaceutical company but they ended up just rebranding the same shit the street dealer is selling from his wholesaler - that is not informed consent even a little bit.

There is something in the middle here but some HLPC testing I’ve seen of supposed legit compounding pharmacies hasn’t been great for these drugs.

[Fezzik]

Can you quote from the five sentences I wrote where I said anything about telling people what to do? I simply noted that my medical provider has first-hand experience with people getting questionable results from unregulated GLP-1s.