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ranguna | 22 days ago

If this will pop sooner or later, where should I put my money on?

All IT companies will go red

The US economy will go red because IT companies will go red

Banks will follow because their investments depended on the IT market

Gold pumped but is falling now (maybe a good time to buy?)

Crypto is crypto so no one knows (although we are close to the pump season where everything 10x in value, but it's still a bet)

Europe is detaching itself from the US, so maybe there's something there?

Maybe we can just buy non perishable essencial products now, because everything is going to blow up in prices? Still if I buy a 2£ can of beans, later sell it at 10£ because its market value increased to 15, I'm still losing. Not losing as much, but still losing, not to mention I need to find a buyer.

I could buy a house and sell it, but the housing market is a micro bubble where I live that it might pop as well by the time I sell.

So where do I put my money now, knowing that everything's going to blow up?

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aurareturn|22 days ago

  So where do I put my money now, knowing that everything's going to blow up?
Isn’t it obvious? Cash. Maybe treasuries getting a 3-4% yield. Maybe some Euros. Maybe some GBP. Maybe some Yuan. Maybe some Yen.

Then you deploy the cash into equities if/when it does crash so you can buy at an inevitable discount.

Personally, I think we are just at the beginning of the boom.

lazide|22 days ago

That is why the current admin keeps talking about (and trying to push) printing more money. Because the obvious plan is to inflate out of the mess. Which they have been a little.

The big question is, will they succeed at accelerating it or not?

Either way, cash won’t be worth as much.

ranguna|21 days ago

So I hold ln to my cash, the bubble pops and I lose 10% to inflation because eggs will increase in price by 10%, just so I can buy stocks at a discount and wait 5 years for a 10% increase post bubble pop?

I'm not sure that's a good deal.

iamthemonster|22 days ago

Sadly international diversification is far less effective during downturns, which is exactly when you need it. It really turns out that the old adage "when the US sneezes the whole world catches a cold" is borne out by the evidence: https://earlyretirementnow.com/2017/08/23/how-useful-is-inte...

I started getting concerned about the US stock market being overvalued in about 2019. If I'd followed my gut and ditched the US entirely I'd have missed out enormously.

Unfortunately the "guys, it's getting a bit frothy" stage can last for years and years. If you pull out of the stock market whenever everything's looking irrationally overvalued you're probably going to fall behind the unthinking approach of continually investing the same amount every month.

Although I don't think investments are easy to "bubble-proof" I feel like your career choices can make you more resistant to catastrophe. The strongest strategy of all (if it's practical in your lifestyle) is to be nationally and internationally mobile so that your job search can cover the entire world, and you pick whichever employer is most desperate to find someone. After that, you can sometimes transfer internally to teams that are more robust (in my industry we have teams that design new facilities and teams that run existing facilities - the ones that design new facilities are far more vulnerable to ups and downs as projects get cancelled). Finally, you can make lots of casual contacts in your industry (we sometimes get together for coffee or beer with other people in our city who do a similar job at other companies) - then when you're made redundant, you've got the inside information of where new roles might come from.

On the cost side of the equation, your choices of "how big a house & car can I afford?" should learn towards being more pessimistic, but often there's not huge scope for choice there in the short term.

Long story short, the glib answer to your question "where do I put my money now, knowing that everything's going to blow up?" is "leave it in the S&P 500 and be aware that one day it will blow up"

bko|22 days ago

Is it really a bubble? The AI boom is often compared to dot com bubble but was that a bubble? Sure if you bought immediately before the crash and sold after you lost a lot of money. But if you were just consistently investing in web based companies from lates 1990s to 2010, how did you do? Probably pretty well. Web did change the world and create an immense amount of wealth in the world and markets. You're just focused on a short time frame.

Even the real estate bubble in 2008. If you bought a home in 2005 and sold in 2009, sure you lost a lot, but if you just invested in real estate from mid 2000s and kept it for 10 years, you prob did pretty well. Even the great depression had a sharp readjustment, but look at pretty much any 10‑year windows, including great depression, you'll see ~10% nominal and ~5–7% real annualized equity returns.

I think AI will be similar. It's a paradigm shift. Some of todays companies will go under and stocks will crash but over 10+ years, I think it will be a great investment and the industry will flourish, much like the tech or real estate bubble.

ranguna|19 days ago

That last sentence is actually a good take imo.

Bombthecat|22 days ago

What if it won't pop and just keep getting better?

Replacing more and more jobs as it goes?

ed_mercer|22 days ago

Is this really a valid outcome, given the facts in the article?

mentalgear|22 days ago

I think a lot of investors are looking at Europe/EU as a safe heaven, because it actually has strong democratic institutions that hold up the rule of law, and not some maddening kind that can tank your investments on his mere whim and a tech/fin oligarchy, eager to please and profit him while keeping the pyramid scheme going (while they build doomsday bunkers in New Zealand), until it all blows in the public's face.

ranguna|21 days ago

So you mean I should buy EU"s 2% gross bonds?

That will be worth nothing when food increases by 10%. I'd rather lose the 1 point something net percent than do the song and dance of buying bonds.

DavidPiper|22 days ago

At the risk of calling you on a deep-cut 2-step pun from your username, I think you meant "safe haven", not "safe heaven" :-)

superze|22 days ago

The rule of law only applies to the peasants here in the EU as well .