[obsidianbases1]

Don't forget about Obsidian

[konart]

Both are great tools though.

They (or their devs) are not at fault that some people honestly believe you can't be as productive or consistent without a "thought garden" or whatever.

[CuriouslyC]

Obsidian is local first with basically zero lock-in, and it's heavily community driven. Don't lump it in with Notion.

[baby_souffle]

True, but it does have the cottage industry of influencers selling their vault skeleton and template/plugin packs for unlocking maximum productivity… same as notion. And Evernote, to an extent, before that.