[xXSLAYERXx]

Do you have a different take on winning then me?

In engineering the only teams that win are the teams that ship code. Dealing with coaching, ownership, feelings, politics, etc, should all arrive at the same outcome: ship code.

[berkanunal]

Perhaps they have a different take on engineering than you.

Shipping code is not the end goal of engineering. In fact, more code you ship more liability you have. Main goal is solving problems.

> Engineering is the practice of [...] solve problems within technology, increase efficiency and productivity, and improve systems. [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineering

[xXSLAYERXx]

I agree with what you're saying and I didn't mean to insinuate I believe that we should ship just for the sake of shipping. I don't. But thats not the reality I've participated in. I think about story points a lot. Whats the point? So leadership has insight into what the dev team is doing. And they can plan, based on point size, what will be shipped. Not all the time does the release include solved problems. A lot of times it is fluff that does create new liabilities. How many of us have shipped and had to maintain a feature that the customer never even wanted? I definitely have.