[throwatdem12311]

You’re out of your mind if you think I’m gonna upload ID to use a “shitposting about video games with friends” service.

[canada_dry]

To protect my privacy, I have a photoshopped drivers license with a photo of my dog that I've successfully used for verification (e.g. AirBnB) in the past.

Though, with AI being used I suspect it wouldn't pass any longer.

[layer8]

It used to be that on the internet, nobody knows you’re a dog. ;)

[krick]

Huh. Can you do that? I wonder what is legal status of this. I used to make all sorts of fake IDs (pretty good ones!) when I was a teen (you know, for purposes such as going to clubs, buying alcohol), but of course this is literally a crime, and not even a "minor" one. Apparently, back then it didn't bother me much, but with age I became more cowardly, I must admit. So now I use my passport data more often than not, even though I am not really a fan of the idea of giving a scan of your documents to some random guy on AirBnB (although, with some obvious caption photoshopped on top, to make the scan less re-usable). I mean, it's just a matter of fact that everyone requires them, and it also has that weird status of "semi-secret thing" that you are somehow aren't supposed to give to anyone, and I still have close to zero understanding of how that works.

So, I suppose you shouldn't give your fake id (digital or physical) to a government officials. It also seems "obvious" that it's similarly unwise to give it to a bank. But you can do that to a random guy on AirBnB? A hotel? To a delivery service (Uber/Wolt/whatever)? Dicsord? Where is the line between a bank (a private commercial corporation) and Discord (a private commercial corporation)?

[viccis]

Youtube flagged one of my accounts as a teenager because I watched a few pop videos (lol) and I was not able to trick it with fake IDs, though I didn't try all that hard.

[leroy-is-here]

I tried to do this when LinkedIn forced me to upload an ID. It didn't work unfortunately. I see the good in this but I know it will be abused. I want to run away but I don't foresee any way that the powers-that-be will let the common person use the Internet without an approved ID in the future.

[chimpanzee2]

wdym, how did your dog driver license even pass before AI ?!

[michaelcampbell]

I found a picture of someone my age, gender, and background and used that in the past for some things.

But not even worth that effort for this. Not a subscriber, but probably won't ever use it again, either.

[thatguy0900]

Just use Ai to make a non existent human face, might as well

[markus_zhang]

This gives me some idea: just use AI to generate an ID.

[ikiris]

You do realize this is wire fraud right?

[unethical_ban]

I have discord for gaming communities, but also for political communities. Pod Save America has a discord with thousands of users talking political things. While I don't mask my identity there, I sure don't want Discord preemptively linking my state ID to my person. Screw that.

[thatguy0900]

If you're worried about government retaliation they can already figure out who you are from what discord has, especially with a justice department that doesn't really even care about looking like they're following the law

[sunaookami]

Yeah, I've been warning everyone about the consequences but nobody wanted to hear it. So do people still want a general social media ban for teens?

[Gud]

Absolutely. Social media and its consequences has been a disaster for the human race. Ban it for everyone.

[mywittyname]

ID verification for sites that where people speak the truth.

Cesspit of AI-driven "validated" accounts for pushing propaganda.

It's the worst of both worlds.

[everdrive]

Nope, I want the social media companies to be shut down, I want smart phones to go away permanently, and I don't want kids to be handed laptops or ipads in school.

[qball]

Everybody hates teenagers, so yes.

It's not really about protecting them; people that claim this is the case are generally doing so to launder that hatred.

[dyauspitr]

Absolutely, who gives a shit about some platforms on the internet.

[x0x0]

I think Discord is trapped in an ugly place:

1 - Piles of parents too stupid or lazy to, well, parent the children they made;

2 - A very reasonable societal expectation that it shouldn't be easy for young kids to access, or even be exposed, to the worst dregs of the internet;

3 - Very different use cases (gaming, kids stuff, free/affordable slack for communities) all on the same platform;

4 - A pile of morons in legislatures who insist there's a magic highly private way to do all this, but (see Australia) refuse to lay out the actual method. It's a government-wide game of underwear gnomes.

[JoshTriplett]

> A pile of morons in legislatures who insist there's a magic highly private way to do all this, but (see Australia) refuse to lay out the actual method.

This is a case where there's plenty of evidence that it's actual malice, not just incompetence. Leaving aside that this shouldn't be done at all, there is no desire to do this in a privacy-preserving way, because destroying anonymity and controlling online discourse is the point for governments, not the "unintentional" side effect to be avoided. "Think of the children" is just the excuse to get people to unknowingly buy in, just as it has been for generations.

https://bsky.app/profile/tupped.bsky.social/post/3lwgcmswmy2...

[jimbob45]

That’s not a reasonable societal expectation. That should be an expectation of the parents to follow through on.

[idiotsecant]

How reasonable is this expectation? All you do by intituting these draconian 'wont someone please think of the children' ID laws is make it marginally more difficult to access mainstream services where there's not much crazy bad stuff anyway. The rest of the internet is the wild west, and good luck controlling that.

The whole thing is security theater designed to conceal the fact that child security is not the objective, it's the justification.

[AstroBen]

Discord hasn't been video game only for a long time

[xg15]

Then use that server without age verification?

[ikekkdcjkfke]

I’ll vibe code that sh*t in a sitting

[hiccuphippo]

Please do and write about it, whether it goes well or not.

[mapontosevenths]

Seriously, and probably do a better job of it. Electron. Yuck.

The problem isn't the platform, it's getting a critical mass of users. Until everyone is using it, nobody is.

[isatty]

You can say “shit” on the internet.

[ActorNightly]

All social media websites should require id tbh. This is the new public town square - everyone should have a voice, but nobody should escape the consequences of using that voice to peddle bullshit.

[7bit]

I've never been to a town square where I had to let some random person photograph my face or tell me to leave.

[gambiting]

Except that is clearly not how it works. Spend 5 minutes on facebook, and you will quickly realize that people have absolutely no problem spewing the most disgusting racist, xenophobic shit you have ever seen in your life, while their full names and pictures of them hugging their granchildren are there for everyone to see.

>> nobody should escape the consequences

There are no consequences whatsoever for this.

[j-krieger]

I'd never thought I'd see advocates against privacy on HN of all places but here we are.

[int_19h]

The old town square had anonymous pamphleteers.

[johnnyanmac]

I don't need a public ID to sit in my local park nor shop for most things on Main Street.

>nobody should escape the consequences of using that voice to peddle bullshit.

We can already do that without needing ID stored on servers. Blame lazy enforcement with an incentive to retain even bad customers.

[JoshTriplett]

Feel free to go make a social media website that requires ID. What you are claiming is that websites that don't require ID should be destroyed. No.

[Mashimo]

You don't have to, you just can't access NSFW channels and servers.

[FreePalestine1]

I believe what you said is correct and this headline is incredibly misleading. Most people should not need to upload any ID. If you are so addicted to NSFW content on Discord, then it is a different story.

[tokioyoyo]

I’m giving it exactly 2 weeks after implementation for most people to just suck it up and upload their IDs. I can’t think of a single “this new thing will break the service, people will mass quit!” thing every working out. Sure, some users left. But super majority, who has already built communities and are depended on it just keep churning.

Privacy and all that jazz aren’t that important to an average person. Everyone’s IDs are already circulating in a mix of Tinder, AirBnB, Twitter, <any random other app that just requires it>.

[Mashimo]

> I’m giving it exactly 2 weeks after implementation for most people to just suck it up and upload their IDs.

I don't most people will even notice, as they are not in age restricted servers or channels.

[bee_rider]

Eh, I dunno, there’s a free chat app lifecycle that they all pretty predictably go through and Discord is getting a bit long in the tooth.