[showerst]

If you'd have asked me a few years ago if anything could be an existential threat to github's dominance in the tech community I'd have quickly said no.

If they don't get their ops house in order, this will go down as an all-time own goal in our industry.

[panarky]

Github lost at least one 9, if not two, since last year's "existential" migration to Azure.

[imglorp]

I'm pretty sure they don't GAF about GH uptime as long as they can keep training models on it (0.5 /s), but Azure is revenue friction so might be a real problem.

Something this week about "oops we need a quality czar": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46903802

[showerst]

I'm sympathetic to ops issues, and particularly sympathetic to ops issues that are caused by brain-dead corporate mandates, but you don't get to be an infrastructure company and have this uptime record.

It's extra galling that they advertise all the new buzzword laden AI pipeline features while the regular website and actions fail constantly. Academically I know that it's not the same people building those as fixing bugs and running infra, but the leadership is just clearly failing to properly steer the ship here.

[arianvanp]

They didn't migrate yet.

[sgt]

Is there any reason why Github needs 99.99% uptime? You can continue working with your local repo.

[bartread]

Yeah, I'm literally looking at GitLab's "Migrate from GitHub" page on their docs site right now. If there's a way to import issues and projects I could be sold.

[stevekemp]

If you're considering moving away from github due to problems with reliability/outages, then any migration to gitlab will not make you happy.

[nextaccountic]

I wish more people used git-bug. It stores issues and PRs in git (not as branches or tags but as special refs that don't pollute the output when you list branches), and have bridges from/to github and other sites

It's like the fossil model, but on Git

https://github.com/git-bug/git-bug

If everyone used it, it would eliminate this specific form of lock in

[gslepak]

> If there's a way to import issues and projects I could be sold.

That is what that feature does. It imports issues and code and more (not sure about "projects", don't use that feature on Github).

[Zambyte]

Maybe it's be reasonable to script using the glab and gh clis? I've never tried anything like that, but I regularly use the glab cli and it's pretty comprehensive.

[thinkingtoilet]

This is obviously empty speculation, but I wonder if the mindless rush to AI has anything to do with the increase in outages we've seen recently.

[iLoveOncall]

It does. I work at Amazon and I can see the increase in outages or major issues since AI has been pushed.

[ezst]

Or maybe the mindless rush to host it in azure?

[throwaway5752]

This is Microsoft. They forced a move to Azure, and then prioritized AI workfloads higher. I'm sure the traing read workloads on GH are nontrivial.

They literally have the golden goose, the training stream of all software development, dependencies, trending tool usage.

In an age of model providers trying train their models and keep them current, the value of GitHub should easily be in the high tens of billions or more. The CEO of Microsoft should be directly involved at this point, their franchise at risk on multiple fronts now. Windows 11 is extremely bad. GitHub going to lose their foundational role in modern development shortly, and early indications are that they hitched their wagon to the wrong foundational model provider.

[oldge]

It’s not so much an op’s issue as an architecture and code quality issue. If you have ever dug into the GitHub enterprise self hosted product you get an idea of the mess.

[jbmilgrom]

I viscerally dislike github so much at this point. I don't know how how they come back from this. Major opportunity for competitor here to come around and with ai native features like context versioning