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cruffle_duffle | 19 days ago

Those people are absolutely going to get left in the dust. In the hands of a skilled dev, these things are massive force multipliers.

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matsemann|19 days ago

That's one of the sentiments I don't quite grasp, though. Why can't they just learn the tools when they're stable? So far it's been sooo many changes in workflows, basically relearn the tools every three months. It's maybe a bit more stabilized the last year, but still one could spend an enormous amount of time twiddling with various models or tools, knowledge that someone else probably could learn quicker at a later time.

"Being left in the dust" would also mean it's impossible for new people / graduates to ever catch up. I don't think it is. Even though I learned react a few years after it was in vogue (my company bet on the wrong horse), I quickly got up to speed and am just as productive now as someone that started a bit earlier.

duggan|19 days ago

Not the person you asked, but my interpretation of “left in the dust” here (not a phrasing I particularly agree with) would be the same way iOS development took off in the 2010s.

There was a land rush to create apps. Basic stuff like the flash light, todo lists, etc, were created and found a huge audience. Development studios were established, people became very successful out of it.

I think the same thing will happen here. There is a first mover advantage. The future is not yet evenly distributed.

You can still start as an iOS developer today, but the opportunity is different.

skydhash|19 days ago

It doesn’t matter how fast you run if it’s not the correct direction.

baq|19 days ago

Good LLM wielders run in widening circles and get to the goal faster than good old school programmers running in a straight line

palata|19 days ago

> In the hands of a skilled dev, these things are massive force multipliers.

What do you get from it? Say you produce more, do you get a higher salary?

What I have seen so far is the opposite: if you don't produce more, you risk getting fired.

I am not denying that LLMs make me more productive. Just saying that they don't make me more wealthy. On the other hand, they use a ton of energy at a time where we as a society should probably know better. The way I see it, we are killing the Earth because we produce too much. LLMs help us produce more, why should we be happy?

Schlagbohrer|19 days ago

(Imagine me posting the graph of worker productivity in the US climbing quickly over time while pay remains flat or falls)

mono442|19 days ago

Using these tools comes down to basically just writing what you want in a natural language. I don't think it will be a problem to catch up if they need to.

jfreds|19 days ago

Context management, plan mode versus agent mode, skills vs system prompt, all make a huge difference and all take some time to build intuition around.

Not all that hard to learn, but waiting for things to settle down assumes things are going to settle down. Are they? When?

coldtea|19 days ago

I only wish I was there when that cocky "skilled dev" is laid off.