[hackinthebochs]

The dimension of this issue that never gets air time is that we've made having kids almost completely intentional. The richer a country becomes, the more intentional having kids becomes. The dynamic we see with rich countries is that as having kids becomes more intentional, there's also the increase in reasons why people would choose to delay or forego having kids.

[shipman05]

I think you're spot on. And all of the various theories and analysis are pretty laughable if one has any sort of historical context.

- "People don't have kids because they're afraid of climate change" - Wildly overestimates the number of people who figure climate change into their life plans, and it discounts the numerous catastrophes people have feared and experience in the past while continuing to have high birth rates. - "People don't have kids because everything is too expensive" - My father-in-law has 11 siblings and they grew up in a 2 bedroom, 1 bathroom home. His story is not unique.

"having kids is almost completely intentional"....in countries where this is the case due to birth control, abortion, feminism (and other cultural shifts), the birth rate plummets.

Delving into the reasons why people opt to have fewer or no children when given the choice consistently across races, religions, cultural background, etc would be a book-length endeavor, but to me it really is that simple. There are numerous reasons someone wouldn't want to have more children, and they tend to find one of them when given the choice.

[dan_mctree]

Yes, this absolutely appears to be the main reason. Both in practical terms through birth control, but also through cultural terms in that it's now seen as a choice rather than as an obvious thing you do. To change this course, we probably need to change the culture first so that a birth control ban will be supported. That's currently not looking likely, so population collapse it is

[munificent]

> To change this course, we probably need to change the culture first so that a birth control ban will be supported.

This is the most casually psychotic thing I've read on HN.

You're advocating forcing women to bear children they don't want and taking away control over their own body.

[rune-dev]

How is forcing people to have children they don’t want a good outcome?

How about we set up society in such a way that choosing to have children is a more appealing option.

[waynesonfire]

> birth control ban will be supported

Wtf... totally the wrong tool to change the calculus of intentionally having children.