[Atlas667]

Nah, you're trying to misconstrue people.

Corporatism is not a thing. Capitalists hold fundamental power over society, they collectively are the state.

They own the things the rest of the people need to survive. Assuming you are a worker/proletariat: Can you survive right now, today, without interacting with a capitalist entity?

Can you make your living as in food, money, housing, etc, right now, solely from your own property? Statistically not. Capitalists own most of what you require.

"Corporatism" is just capitalism. Capitalists use their media platforms to say the government oppresses them equally to us. When it is proven time and time and time again that they have almost total control and influence over the government.

And you buy the narrative.

There is no "pure capitalism", bro. Capitalism will ALWAYS evolve into this. It's baked into the rules. This is very plain to see.

Go to any main news platform, of any country, on the side of any political wing, of any other capitalist nation on earth and type "corruption" in the corresponding language. You'll be met with a flood of articles.

I am against private property of production, because I know the people who need said production can also democratically run it.

[pluralmonad]

> Nah, you're trying to misconstrue people.

Informing me of my nefarious intentions is a pretty rude way to begin a comment, even if you fancy it a rebuttal.

[Atlas667]

Because many people railing against capitalism actually dislike private property over production and think it carries many ills.

Since that was the bulk of your argument that was the summary of my statement, which I opened with. You conveniently ignored the rest of what I said.

[AlexandrB]

> Can you make your living as in food, money, housing, etc, right now, solely from your own property? Statistically not. Capitalists own most of what you require.

You can't survive from your own property in a communist society either because the state own all of it. Instead of power accruing in the hands of a few capitalists, it accrues in the hands of a few politicians/dictators. What's the fundamental difference here? Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

[Atlas667]

This is false and not at all what I have researched and back as a communist.

In a communist society YOU control production through democracy. The whole point is for the people to be their own governing force. That is why communists mention "state control", but another, ultra important aspect that is conveniently not mentioned by capitalist propaganda, is council democracy.

You are your local state. You and your neighbors organized in a council form your local state.

You and your neighbors make sure that no single individual or minority controls your production.

YOU and your neighbors form your own executive, legislative and judicial branches.

This is in reality what communist literature is about. The american mind cannot comprehend democracy, i swear.

And if system were to results in a small group of people holding power and using production to make money, well, that would a capitalist system. Words have meaning.

Democracy is not based on trust, like the political system we have right now. Don't trust me, do your own god damned research. Don't trust millionaire connected politicians either. And don't trust capitalist media either. Democracy is based on control.