[wyclif]

I know they were. But when Obama and Clinton were doing it, one of the big differences was that there were not all these Karens blowing whistles and interfering with those operations. The difference is that now there are far more deranged people who want to take the law into their own hands, and often these people are violently attacking law enforcement.

I don't like having these conversations, and I don't consider myself a defender of the current ICE. It's far from a perfect organisation and it has a lot of problems.

But it seems clear to me that the concept of law and an ordered society has taken a big hit. Trump Derangement Syndrome is not an excuse to allow that to evaporate in Minneapolis and all the other cities with extremely violent protests and attacks on law enforcement.

[estearum]

It seems you're under the belief that the Karens blowing whistles is creating the different enforcement mechanism.

Can you explain how this is not disproven by:

1) POTUS's own statements for years prior to taking power that he would enact a totally different kind of immigration enforcement regime

2) The massive budget increase and personnel surge for ICE, planned at least several months before Trump even took power

3) DHS policy memos shared days after Trump taking power that claimed nationwide expansion of expedited removal powers

4) Declaration of expansive state powers under AEA, also planned months before taking power and therefore months before any public resistance to immigration enforcement

These are all extremely, extremely aberrational actions and policy decisions, all of which contribute to the current facts on the ground in Minneapolis and elsewhere, and none of which were in response to Karens blowing whistles.

What evidence do you have that Karens are causing the enforcement shift, versus the enforcement shift causing the Karens, given that the enforcement shifts were planned for months before the Karens even had any whistles to blow?