[erxam]

>just with something that's better than Discord

I mean, that's the entire issue. There's very little tangibly better than Discord. I like the idea of Matrix, but it's complete garbage in practice.

At least for now, the solution lies more in mass outrage and action rather than any technological migration. The post raises this and I think it's a good point.

[erxam]

Also, the fetishism for federation has got to stop. It's only barely workable in asynchronous environments like the Fediverse, but on a live chat service it's ruinous. It's feels like it's half of what's suffocating Matrix.

[MarsIronPI]

IDK, XMPP group chats have always "jest werked" for me (though admittedly I haven't used them much).

The difference between XMPP group chats and Matrix group chats is that Matrix servers replicate all the message history, whereas XMPP group chats are hosted on a single server. IMO the "bring your own account to a central server" model of XMPP is a good thing, but the "replicate all the things" model of Matrix is not.

[tcfhgj]

It works fine in chat, been using it for years

[iwontberude]

Element is way better these days. Not many people know this but Matrix team upgraded synapse last year to support hundreds of simultaneous voice/video users without the need for that shitty jitsi. They aren’t advertising bullshit to you all the time. The ACLs for spaces and rooms more granular and expressive. Your data isn’t training AI models used by people that want to enslave you. You have control where your data resides for protections by jurisdiction. Element has web embeddings for links now, it has all the platforms supported, it’s easy to verify sessions and backup your key. They support SSO external auth. What more can you want?