[erxam]

Also, the fetishism for federation has got to stop. It's only barely workable in asynchronous environments like the Fediverse, but on a live chat service it's ruinous. It's feels like it's half of what's suffocating Matrix.

[MarsIronPI]

IDK, XMPP group chats have always "jest werked" for me (though admittedly I haven't used them much).

The difference between XMPP group chats and Matrix group chats is that Matrix servers replicate all the message history, whereas XMPP group chats are hosted on a single server. IMO the "bring your own account to a central server" model of XMPP is a good thing, but the "replicate all the things" model of Matrix is not.

[tcfhgj]

It works fine in chat, been using it for years