[theendisney]

To a suspicious extend the internet is full of articles praising the man. With the exception of the stripclub story (which only barely makes the cut) it is as if nothing negative was ever written about him. The www echochamber just doesnt want to hear it.

People get even more mad if you tell them there are many reasons to think Joseph Papp created a mixture of noble gasses, injected into sealed pistons of conventional combustion engines and then those engines would run for 6 months without adding any other fuel.

Feynman was amoung the angry mob. After hearing about it he went to a demonstration involving a big volvo engine funded by the navy.

After 10 min he climbed onto stage pointed at some electronics plugged into the wall, he pulled the plug and playfully dangled it above papp who protested loudly and said it was not safe. Feynman ignored him until papp went into full panic. The plug was returned, papp put it back into the wall and the engine exploded. 7 people were injured, one lost a leg and one audience member died.

The dubious thing to me was that after much media exposure no one was interested in the physics.

Feynman oddly twists the story and said papp unplugged it and gave the plug to him. He wanted to hold it he said.

He also created a fantastic imaginary forensic report where he imagined papp put explosives in the engine.

After papp blamed him for destroying the engine they settled out of court.

The noble gas engine was now officially debunked.

https://hoaxes.org/comments/papparticle2.html

It gets more absurd where journalists and internet septics make an effort to change the story.

https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/28530/did-richa...

I generously give the Papp engine 0.1% odds of being useful technology which means we should be looking at the thousand claims of miraculous tech. If i look at the debunking there is never any evidence against them. Look at them fabricating, its quite amusing. Or do you see a single convincing argument the engine doesnt work even from the highly praised Feynman himself?

[DoctorOetker]

none of this matters, the probability of new physics here is essentially nil.

if anyone is irresponsible its Papp who knowingly handed the plug to a productive skeptic, knowing full well the dangers of the device.

if the motor had any merit, he could refuse the out-of-court settlement and demonstrate the working principles of his motor, but he didn't! he took the money, Feymann inadvertently saved him from certain humiliation had this not occured.

hiding rocket propellant in a perpetuum mobile must be one of the most dangerously retarded things to do, people will come closer and inspect and try to figure out the true power source, and they will home in on your panic reactions to get closer (warmer - colder style).

[theendisney]

>the probability of new physics here is essentially nil.

I dont function like that. I have true, false and unknown.

If i prematurely promote an unknown to true or false i would feel the need to defend my uninformed conclusion. Since i dont have what it takes to do that i would try to spoof the data. I would also blind myself to everything that contradicts the opinion.

You, feynman, the septic communty, you have sunk to a level that wouldnt even be legal if the man was alive. Claims of fraud and first degree murder?!?!

Unlike the inventor such claims require evidence and until you have it the accused is innocent.

But lets compare the two cobtradicting stories. One claims the other unplugged the device and claimed he really wanted to hold the plug in his hand and politely asked. The other claimed the one to have unplugged it himself and refused to give it back.

Which one of the two would require settling out of court?

The debunking doesnt really talk about Papp. You can copy paste it under any exotic claim.

>if the motor had any merit, he could refuse the out-of-court settlement and demonstrate the working principles of his motor.

No reason to think any demonstration would change information-free debunking.

Well over a thousand geet engines were build, hundreds of youtube demostrations but it is still not considered real.

There are now respectable publications about the pons and fleishman device with 100% successful replication but it is still not considered real.

If you personally build a working Papp engine it would simply not be considered real. People would say you are a fraud and a murderer and that would be the final word on the topic.