A major consideration is that the state holds a monopoly on violence. A single person defending their citizenship with a gun might be morally right, but they will end up physically dead. And a few hundred foreign-born citizens with guns might make the news but will end up equally dead.
Unless a HUGE portion of the country decides to take up arms at the same time, the second amendment isn't going to make the difference. As the administration's policies seems to be affecting individual groups one at a time, I doubt that enough people will be willing to lay down their lives over any single issue.
A lot of good it did Alex Jeffrey Pretti, not. They have far bigger guns, more guns, and can track where you are at all times, picking you up when you're very vulnerable, like in the middle of traffic.
The 2A helps only when a whole community were to get picked up all at once, which basically never happens. When individuals get picked up one at a time, it is in effect useless. Also, the state-specific interpretation of the 2A doesn't allow concealed carry of compact automatic weapons, and even if it did, it is basically a recipe for self annihilation because there are a lot more of them.
Also, there is no way that the people will mass organize to fight ICE violently. This again is because ICE targets individuals, not entire communities.
I sure wish the nation's 2A fandom would join the protests against masked troops flagrantly violating citizens' rights. One has to assume the mental calculus of whether or not to execute a citizen in the streets would change if the surrounding peaceful protesters are open carrying firearms.
Unfortunately they will instead continue writing fan fiction about protecting their rights while they vote for team "take the guns first" yet again.
I'm going to assume that second amendment is going to continue to be upheld by Republican supporters. And you'll have an NRA who look at people getting executed for possessing a weapon without drawing, and keep saying "this is fine".
The hypocrisy with 2A supporters is palpable. They never supported 2A rights.
I'm a liberal (e: as in democrat) supporter of the 2A. On the other hand, while I do not and have never supported the NRA, didn't they immediately call out the republican politicians and cabinet members who were trying to pin the blame on Pretti for lawfully exercising his 2A rights before he was killed?
I hope, in decades to come, that whenever the old and tired "2A protects us from tyranny" argument gets made, we can point back to the Trump years and simply reply "the guns were freaking useless, man".
parsimo2010|17 days ago
Unless a HUGE portion of the country decides to take up arms at the same time, the second amendment isn't going to make the difference. As the administration's policies seems to be affecting individual groups one at a time, I doubt that enough people will be willing to lay down their lives over any single issue.
mothballed|17 days ago
OutOfHere|17 days ago
The 2A helps only when a whole community were to get picked up all at once, which basically never happens. When individuals get picked up one at a time, it is in effect useless. Also, the state-specific interpretation of the 2A doesn't allow concealed carry of compact automatic weapons, and even if it did, it is basically a recipe for self annihilation because there are a lot more of them.
Also, there is no way that the people will mass organize to fight ICE violently. This again is because ICE targets individuals, not entire communities.
cornhole|17 days ago
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plagiarist|17 days ago
Unfortunately they will instead continue writing fan fiction about protecting their rights while they vote for team "take the guns first" yet again.
metalcrow|17 days ago
happymellon|17 days ago
I'm going to assume that second amendment is going to continue to be upheld by Republican supporters. And you'll have an NRA who look at people getting executed for possessing a weapon without drawing, and keep saying "this is fine".
The hypocrisy with 2A supporters is palpable. They never supported 2A rights.
nozzlegear|17 days ago
thrance|17 days ago
ottah|16 days ago