[therobots927]

I wonder when it will sink in for the average (especially non-white) American citizen that you are one false positive in an algorithm away from being arrested and detained / deported. If you’re lucky there will be a public outcry large enough that you’re released (like 5 year old Liam Ramos). Given expectations built into the constitution, this is should be disturbing. As a white, upper middle class, multigenerational citizen of the US, I find ICE’s actions disturbing at a fundamental level. Probably because I can extrapolate to the logical conclusion of this. Other people are extrapolating as well and it wouldn’t surprise me if continued ICE actions spur a public rebellion against surveillance of all forms, after seeing how it can be combined with a lawless federal government to subvert basic rights. I also think it will result in a backlash against private prisons in general as people then extrapolate from the ICE situation to the daily reality faced by primarily black men when interacting with the police. With a simple head nod, the cops can plant evidence and present a narrative to a judge and jury that puts you away for 20 years over nothing more than a dirty look at a cop.

If you think carrying a form of ID or passport will save you from ICE, I just want you to imagine a scenario where you are alone with several federal agents who, when provided with your proof of citizenship, light it on fire with a match and throw you in a van. Papers are just physical objects and unless ICE is wearing 24/7 streaming body cams, the above scenario could happen to literally anyone.

[int_19h]

I am a naturalized citizen, and my nightmare scenario is getting arrested and deported to my country of birth, because I'm very likely to end up like Ksenia Karelina in that case.

[therobots927]

Sorry you have to deal with this :(

[Noumenon72]

Papers are not just physical objects. The issuing agency records your details and the date of issuance. This is why cops don't boost their citation numbers by shredding your driver's license.

[roughly]

> This is why cops don't boost their citation numbers by shredding your driver's license.

The cops are issuing a citation, which you can contest in a court with a reference to that agency record. ICE has a habit of snatching people off the streets and stashing them in not-quite-black sites in Texas or Florida until they can book them on a private airplane to Guatemala.

[scarecrowbob]

I have had a hard time getting copies of my documents when I am -not- incarcerated in a concentration camp... good luck with that.

[tracker1]

Do you have any actual evidence to support that non-whites are specifically more targeted at any level other than the ratio of illegal entries or over-stays in the US? I've seen plenty of instances of white visa overstays also being deported.

Given than upwards of 20 million people walked across the southern border in the last administration that a disproportionate amount of those people are non-white... but that doesn't mean that deportations in and of themselves are driven by race at all.

Beyond any of that, you seem to have a level of bias that is well out of touch with reality and your paranoia seems to be highly unfounded by the reality of the levels of deportation of the current administration even compared to the administrations since the turn of the century, especially offset to the number of illegal entries released into the interior of the US over that same time period.

[malshe]

Read this

Kavanaugh stop: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kavanaugh_stop

[aftbit]

Tangentially related, the Trump admin has decreased the number of refugees that America will legally accept this year from 125k to 7,500. The new quota will prioritize white Afrikaners from South Africa, whom Trump claims face extraordinary discrimination.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/30/us/politics/trump-refugee...

[01HNNWZ0MV43FF]

I was told in a Know Your Rights training to carry copies of documents, so they can't steal / burn the originals.

Readers, whatever you're doing right now is what you would be doing during the rise of Nazi Germany... Be kind, be a good neighbor, don't talk to cops.

[scarecrowbob]

"Readers, whatever you're doing right now is what you would be doing during the rise of Nazi Germany..."

That is true.

If you're in the US and you're not in the signal chats or whatever that would alert you when ICE is working then you're not doing all the things that you could do to prevent this pronounced move towards fascism that will impact you personally and deeply.

This is not activism as charity- people need to understand that we are still in a spot where we may be able to push back, and that should be understood as simple self-interest.

Even if you're not in a place "under siege" they are working where you are living.

Consider that if you're in some rural place or even a place where they feel "at home" your work is going to be more impactful by definition:

- find your local immigrant's rights group that is watching out for ICE - get trained by them how to be a "responder" - slot in and help where you can.

[therobots927]

If things get worse we’ll need to wear body cams live-streaming to the cloud at all times to ensure our rights are upheld. Now that I think about it - not a bad product idea!

[BobbyTables2]

Photocopies or officially certified copies?

[01HNNWZ0MV43FF]

> I think the better path forward is more open, peaceful, extended discussion.

There is a good format for two people to have a discussion in good faith: https://yesnodebate.org/

I'll start - Do you think it is good that federal agents are ignoring due process?

[mindslight]

No, your favored extremists taking control of the government, attacking American cities, and executing Americans who protest is not "squashing a rebellion". These are straight up violations of individual liberty and rejection of limited government, as laid out by the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights.

The framing of your injustices is specious - while I'd normally be right with you about the synergy of corporate power forming a de-facto government, that these became mainstream political issues really just demonstrates how far your bubble has been warped by propagandists. Do you know how you can look at the blue tribe media and easily pick out the inflammatory extremist wackos? Your tribe has that also. If you are unable to see it, this means you are saturated in it.