[0xecro1]

I've seen non-programmers successfully launch real apps — not toy projects — through vibe coding. I'm doing it myself, and I'm about to ship a developer tool built the same way.

They'll still need to pick up the fundamentals of the programming — that part isn't optional yet. And getting to that level as a non-programmer takes real effort. But if the interest is there, it's far from impossible. In fact, I'd argue someone with genuine passion and domain expertise might have better odds than an average developer just going through the motions.

[Grimblewald]

You're not getting it. Making app is a solved problem, especially if app function, features, and purpose is derivative of existing things,

Think of it like image generation AI. You can make acceptable if sloppy art with it, using styles that exist. However, you cannot create a new style. You cannot create pictures of things that are truly novel, to do that you have to pick up the brush yourself.

coding with llms is the exact same thing. It can give you copies of what exists, and sometimes reasonable interpolations/mashups, but i have not seen a single succesful example of extrapolation. Not one. You simply leave the learned manifold and everything gets chaotic like in the example i provided.

If AI can make what you want, then the thing you made is not as novel as you thought. You're repurpising solved problems. Still useful, still interesting, just not as ground breaking as the bot will try and tell you.