[luqtas]

> the European explorers and colonists did commit horrific crimes against humanity

not only horrific but the biggest hollocaust in the entire human history, with around 34 million people killed from 1500 up to 2025

with that said, people romanticize them too much. canibalism, war and also a (probably) big impact in one of the most rich ecosystems of Earth: the Amazon was ripped with their practices of burning stuff and planting dominant species among the forest that reduced for sure the amount of biodiversity in their +15,000 years of existence there. tho not defending EU ppl ripping out their forest till the border of rivers

[verisimi]

These numbers are surely numbers on a spreadsheet, unless you are referring to literal bodies that have been counted.

In this article itself, we read that:

> When Estrada-Belli first came to Tikal as a child, the best estimate for the classic-era (AD600-900) population of the surrounding Maya lowlands – encompassing present day southern Mexico, Belize and northern Guatemala – would have been about 2 million people. Today, his team believes that the region was home to up to 16 million

The point is that spreadsheet estimates can be so wrong, they are verging on meaningless.

[ljsprague]

>not only horrific but the biggest hollocaust in the entire human history

Does this number include deaths due to introduced diseases?

[mc32]

If it does then the Black Death introduced by Genghis Khan in the Middle East and Europe is likely higher.

[ab5tract]

Where can I read this certainty of destroyed biodiversity? That sounds like an extremely unsupported position, considering that the Amazon has the highest rates of biodiversity today.

The continued belittling of indigenous forestry practices contributes to out of control wildfires.

[luqtas]

https://portal.amelica.org/ameli/journal/181/1813954027/html...

https://www.sp-amazon.org/publications

[gjsman-1000]

That number is statistically too high.

Most historians pinpoint it at around 5-15 million. Communist Russia (3-20 million) and Communist China (15-40 million) both killed more.

[luqtas]

your number is about North America. i hate when people sum America to the North. we are chatting about everyone from both continents

i went to check on the doc. i watched (https://youtu.be/laW_Yf6N4kU?si=vi3KY9prfdqfNybC&t=1176) and i have to make a correction: they point out that the majority of the 80 million people living on America were killed on the first 100 years of colonization. they do talk impartially as it being one of the biggest holocaust known to the humanity. i don't agree on excluding death numbers from disease. it wasn't something like the Black Death (25 million) where effected countries weren't in war, nor they were also being blown out of existence by superior (war) technology

and 80 million aren't even the highest estimations historians suggest [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_the_Indi... ¶ some historians point up to 100 million people killed

[assaddayinh]

These super lative rich western diabolism always sounds like trump when i read it.

[luqtas]

all of my arguments made on this thread don't try to justify the colonization. that's why i typed 'holocaust'. heck i would even like Portuguese churches melting their gold back to Brazil make electronics and their government having to actively help the extensive social problems the country still has to deal with

don't link me with that guy