[norman784]

I have my doubts on Jai, besides being built towards game development, from what I read/watched about it, it has 2 or 3 meta programming capabilities, like comptime, macros, etc it feels too much of the same, also Jai is not built towards correctness or safety, John mentality is that he knows what he is doing, so he doesn’t need those guardrails and he wants instead expressiveness.

Also Jai is like C++ in complexity, while Zig is similar to C, very simple language.

Carbon is vaporware so far, there’s no language that could be used yet, because they first need to solve the C++ interop and fast compilation times, that is what will shape the language, so no one is using it, because it doesn’t exist yet.

[gethly]

Remember that it was Jai that inspired all these new languages. When you talk about the capabilities like comptime, that's all from Jai and why John no longer does public presentations(as people keep stealing his unfinished ideas).

Your comment about gamedev focus makes no sense as that it the most hardcore segment of all the programming there is. So if a language is good for gamedev, it's good for everything else - with high performance.

I'm still in the GC camp with Go and don't see myself leaving any time soon but Zig is just rust-fugly and takes for ever to complete(it started 10 years ago, mind you). Odin is essentially complete, just lacks official spec. I like it but can' bring myself to use it as it lacks methods and I won' be going back to writing a procedural code like its 2002.

I'm curious to see Jai being released, despite having no use case for it. My initial post is merely about purposefulness, or the lack of, for named programming languages as nowadays John's name will carry more weight than Zig could ever have. so without Zig being 1.0 after a decade, and having no competitive advantage over Jai, it has no chance to survive after Jai is released. As I said, Odin will likely will as it is quite simpler, more niche language. Zig just goes directly against Jai and it will lose.

[brabel]

> When you talk about the capabilities like comptime, that's all from Jai

You really should learn a few new languages if you think that’s remotely true. For example, Lisp macros are the distant ancestors of most metaprogramming techniques, dating from the 60s. But there are many similar techniques that precede Zig comptime and Jai, like D’s mixins and templates, which together have very similar power to comptime. There are also Nim macros which I believe also precede Jai. Even the C preprocessor could probably be considered an inspiration for anyone creating a C competitor before we need to invoke Jai ideas.

[_bohm]

> Remember that it was Jai that inspired all these new languages

You’ve made this claim on here before and when I asked you to substantiate it with a source you were completely unable to.

[Phil_Latio]

> why John no longer does public presentations(as people keep stealing his unfinished ideas)

That's your opinion or you have a source for that?

[Matl]

> Remember that it was Jai that inspired all these new languages.

Not really. Rust was a thing long before Jai.

[LunaSea]

> as nowadays John's name will carry more weight than Zig could ever have.

I'm sorry but Zig has been used to create actual production software for many companies whereas Jai has been used maybe once for a mediocre game.

[cassepipe]

You sound like you're in a cult

[ofalkaed]

>Also Jai is like C++ in complexity, while Zig is similar to C, very simple language.

And most importantly, Zig is aiming at being a C++ replacement with the simplicity of C, it is not trying to replace C.

[Pay08]

I think you meant to say Jai, not Zig.

[pjmlp]

Good luck with that, it is basically Modula-2 with C like syntax, and we aren't even getting into the whole ecosystem that it is missing on.

Any C++ or C replacement will need to win the earths of mainstream OS and game console vendors, otherwise it will remain yet another wannabe candidate.

Those have already their own languages, alongside their own C and C++ compilers, and are only now starting to warm up to Rust.

Zig or any other candidate will have a very hard time being considered.