[KevinMS]

you aren't getting it. You need to match, on demand, any solar or wind generation. On demand means gas turbines, because nothing else can power up quickly enough. X amount of power generation from a wind farm needs X amount of capacity sitting around waiting to come online.

[benj111]

I am getting it. I'm saying 10 years ago demand was X and we had the gas capacity we needed. Now demand is X-10. We have 10 too much capacity without building any more gas generation.

I haven't even gone into the presumption that it needs to be gas. What about batteries, hydro?

And that's going on the assumption that all wind and solar is going to suddenly drop to zero. And yes it might go low but not all at once without warning.

So yes. I get it. It's you that doesn't seem to.

[KevinMS]

> We have 10 too much capacity without building any more gas generation.

YOU STILL HAVE TO RUN THEM. Maintenance, upkeep, crews, and then you have to subsidize any loses they have for sharing the load to keep them online. Basically any wind farm is TWO power plants, the wind farm and its backup. They never count that backup in these cost assessments.