Voith Schneider Propeller

[oliwary]

Cool, similar to helicopters which can also control direction indepentendent of thrust, which leads to RC helicopters being able to pull of crazy, physics-defying moves like here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSiwyoQldfo

[dylan604]

That's the worst lawnmower I've ever seen. It didn't even cut the grass as much as it just bothered the blades of grass. 0 out of 5 stars. What's that? It's not a mower. Oh, well then, that thing is cool as hell, but not as cool as the pilot that looks like he's just casually standing there.

[ted_dunning]

That is bizarre and amazing. I have never seen any kind of aircraft that resembled a dragonfly as much as that.

The maneuvers are so extreme and come so fast that I would not have been able to say for certain that this wasn't just a very nasty crash in progress. But they were, in fact, completely controlled and intentional.

Incredible.

[ninalanyon]

Thank you for that. That was the most astonishing display of precision (in any field of endeavour) that I have seen in quite some time.

[_aavaa_]

Thanks! I’ll keep this on hand for next time I hear that a UFO proof video comes out saying that an object can’t move the way it does on screen.

[Toutouxc]

Acro RC helis are an amazing sight, but it’s not really related to the article. They’re just rotors that can reverse their thrust entirely by changing the pitch angle below zero (i.e. lower than regular helicopters can). Many prop planes use that for braking

[xpe]

See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swashplate_(aeronautics)

[javiramos]

The coolest recent development in marine propellers is toroidal propellers which are now commercially available and seem to perform significantly better than standard propellers: https://www.sharrowmarine.com/

[brk]

For the most part the Sharrow props have not proven to be much of an improvement, particularly for the high price.

The tests that have shown "significant" improvements have frequently compared the Sharrow to a sub-optimal prop. Feedback from many actual users is that the gains are moderate over a narrow RPM range.

[LoganDark]

That website seems to no useful information; only marketing speak about how great it is... Do you know of a good source on how toroidal propellers work and the engineering behind them?

[HPsquared]

That's pretty cool, but I wonder if they can get stuff tangled in there.

[yccs27]

This reads a lot like an advertisement. The linked page [[Cyclorotor]] is more neutral and has more information on the design and applications outside of marine vessels:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclorotor

[adolph]

This is conceptually significant because the article links the mechanisms used in watercraft and aircraft.

[silveira]

The same article in german has some nice animations: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voith-Schneider-Antrieb

[manyturtles]

These were used on three car ferries in Scotland, mostly between Gourock and Dunoon but the same vessels were sometimes used on other routes. The Saturn, Juno and Jupiter which were quite fast and incredibly maneuverable: "...service speed was around 15 knots (although she could also achieve 13 knots astern and 3 knots sideways" with just those drives. No separate screws, bow or stern thrusters. Same drive was used on a few smaller local ferries, too.

If I remember right what they didn't do was go exactly straight. You could see a (very modest) s-shape in the wake over distance.

ref: https://www.shipsofcalmac.co.uk/fleet-features/the-streakers

[mkreis]

See a tug showing off here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6uNECa_X8Q Voith is the only company producing those, even though the patent has expired.

[dylan604]

Please excuse me while I rock your boat up against the pier unnecessarily as I show how to do burnouts and donuts with my boat for some viral content.

[crest]

They're really useful for tugs and other specialty applications that need the ability to have differential thrust in arbitary directions with lots of thrust at low speed, but loose to Azipods on faster and larger ships.

[xpe]

I recommend this video with animations : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrBF9BWYAZY

[xpe]

From a resilience POV, my guess would be that failure of any one blade would botch the system overall. Maybe that is why many diagrams show them installed in pairs. (I would guess each operates in a different direction for angular momentum reasons.) I have no idea about overall reliability.

[brk]

For marine applications dual drives are common as it enables better rotational control for maneuvering. The redundancy aspect is also a factor, but moreso for applications where you are going to be far from shore. For tugboat and ferry type applications, where these drives are most common, that is less of a concern.

[somat]

I think you are right, One only provides directional thrust, a pair would be needed for rotational thrust.

Most traditional tugs have a pair of screws for just this reason. Not so much to turn but by applying differential thrust they can pull sideways. A vector drive like this will vastly increase the envelope of possible pull conditions.

[w4der]

They are installed in pairs and work together with bow thrusters to allow for dynamic positioning, the RV Falkor (too) has them for this reason.

[martinclayton]

See also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26339421