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hbarka | 12 days ago

This is a very trivial treatment of Deming and I’m surprised how it makes its way to the top of HN. The arc from Walter Shewhart to W.E. Deming is a bedrock foundation in an Industrial Engineering curriculum. These men paved the manufacturing process quality principles of modern industrialization. Drucker was about management science, truly an apples to oranges comparison.

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kqr|12 days ago

Deming was a statistician first, yes, but he also had strong opinions in terms of management science/philosophy. These opinions came from a perspective of systems theory and understanding variation.

kranke155|12 days ago

Management Science? Only management science I read so far (with actual measured outputs and ideas) was Peopleware. Everything else was more like philosophy. Has anyone ever measured, long term results from multiple management methods? What I saw when I looked into it was simple - the Toyota Way was the model for a lot of successful companies, including Pixar.

bsenftner|12 days ago

Peopleware is extremely old, and if you were to crack open a modern MBA text you'd find statistics and statistical process control type of thinking integrated everywhere, in all the MBA subjects. Management being soft and opinionated ended a long time ago, but then again, "the future is unevenly distributed" so who knows what conceptual envelope you find yourself.

an-allen|12 days ago

To be fair, Demming is a trivial systems programming theories.. “optimise wholistically” “local fixes cause global imnalance”

None of this works for the system of life and consciousness.