[SockThief]

Consider this (by Graphene OS): https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-stand...

/e/OS community talking about it: https://community.e.foundation/t/article-from-grapheneos-abo...

And then maybe this: https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm

Hope that helps.

[realusername]

I like GrapheneOS but they fail to understand in this post that the #1 security concern an android user face is the lack of privacy.

Sure they have hardened everything but realistically, that's not the main threat for your average user.

Their top contribution to android is the sandboxed Google Play, by far.

[palata]

I think it's more of a marketing claim from less secure systems that "privacy is not security, and GrapheneOS focuses on security while we focus on privacy".

GrapheneOS does care about both, quite obviously. And GrapheneOS tends to say that if your security is bad, then it is affecting your privacy too. Whereas others say "sure, we break the Android security model by unlocking the bootloader and signing our system with the Google test keys, but your apps will contact Google through microG instead of the Play Services, so it's more private". Which is worth what it is worth...

[strcat]

GrapheneOS is primarily privacy project. It keeps up with important Android updates with major privacy enhancements and very important privacy patches. It builds crucial privacy protections such as Storage Scopes, Contact Scopes, Sensors toggle and much more into the OS. Privacy depends on security so security protections and security patches are part of providing strong privacy too.

It's a misconception that GrapheneOS is focused on security over privacy. It heavily works on privacy features and the work on security features is entirely to protect privacy. There's widespread use of commercial exploit tools and GrapheneOS is proven to provide far better real world protection against those. Most alternate operating systems reduce privacy from AOSP and massively reduce security while GrapheneOS is preserving the baseline and heavily improving both side by side.

GrapheneOS is also very focused on usability and app compatibility, making sure to preserve those with the major privacy and security enhancements.

[gf000]

privacy != security.

And sandboxed Google Play services serve both goals -- it runs the service as a regular android service, not an exceptional one that has a bunch of extra permissions. So you can allow/restrict it as you seem fit, while not "getting behind" on features/apps that mandate it.