[aeonque]

Seems to me we’re ignoring history: 1. Prescott Lecky destroyed the validity of Pavlov’s experiments with his paper on Self Consistency. 2. Macys conference in 1960s converged on the idea of systems theory and cybernetics; cause and effect is for elementary school - self organization is for the adults. 3. Humberto Maturana and Francisco Varela (Autopoesis) are rolling in their graves.

It’s not a new discovery if something better has already been in use for 50+ years.

Am I missing something here?

[sigbottle]

Whoa. Guess I have more literature reading to be doing! Always interesting to hear a counterargument along with future reading

[PaulDavisThe1st]

> Prescott Lecky destroyed the validity of Pavlov’s experiments with his paper on Self Consistency.

Clearly you feel strongly about this. Unfortunately, a non-AI search for "prescott lecky" and "pavlov" really reveals very little support for this claim, to the point where your comment is actually the 5th result.

So ... got links?