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> No, that's not the narrative. It's you assumption.

No, it's a narrative propagandized and rooted, and your replies just show that.

> The current regime made sure that the oligarchic caste doesn't meddle in politics

The current regime is an oligarchy. No one claims Ukraine was perfect, or didn't have corruption. But their people clearly wanted to change that and be part of the EU.

That's the beauty of democracy, you're not stuck with one guy.

> Exercise for the reader ;)

The true question is why are you avoiding talking about the much larger losses in Ukraine? The only comparison are loses from WW2.

How can you even complain about the rest with an abhorrent amount of casualties Russia is suffering, and causing, and again, for what? I mean, Westerners are complaining about importing labor due to the lack of opportunities... and Russia is importing Indian labor because they're losing their young men in a pointless war with a country that was at peace and posed no threat... All because of bad intel and a miscalculation that should have easily ended in a resignation in any other country.

But somehow, you put the accountability on everyone else. The war could have been stopped on the same day.

> Sure man, but it's not Russias fault, is it?

Isn't? What about Moldova? Georgia? Ukraine? The constant meddling in politics, threats of economic and military action?

> Do you mean the partying people in Kiev

No, I mean the people who in the 90's chose to be an independent state, and refused to welcome occupiers. Remember that in the occupied territories, the Russian regime had to organize demonstrations of support for the invasion? That's how absurd this all is.

> Where's the connection between the mutiny of a war lord and national identity?

Well, the owner of a state-sponsored PMC was marching towards Moscow, and some people were cheering for him, and the rest? Silent, no one seemed to care that much for the coup, everyone was waiting on the sidelines. Does that look like engaged people with their national identity? Where were the protests? The revolt for what was happening?

Ukrainians, even during the war shown their protests against the government.

> Abducting presidents from third world countries and bombing civilians in the middle east for 20 years has no particular training effect, I suppose.

Wait but wasn't Ukraine considered a third-world country, where Russia tried to abduct its president and failed? Are you talking about Russia bombing civilians in Syria?

> I'm constantly in awe by the power of western propaganda, the bigotry and lack of knowledge and respect from people who consider themselves and their culture as the pinnacle of human civilisation.

The "west" is too big and too different for a single propaganda thread - that's just an old soviet thought pattern, that the USA controls everyone. And again, here comes the "russophobia" narrative.

Let that sink in into the "russophobia": No one in Western countries cared about NATO until Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022 (so after Moldova, Georgia, and Ukraine in 2014), and the vast majority didn't even know what the point of it was. Russia was supplying energy to German industry, with prospects of expansion. And China, with the Belt & Road initiative linking China to Europe. These are just a few things that were going on before the biggest strategic blunder in modern Europe - and you refuse to see this. In fact, you choose to think it was the other way around lol