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kyledrake | 12 days ago

People went ballistic on me a few months ago for bringing this up, but this is exactly the kind of outage that makes me really, really worried about extremely short lived certificates. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46118371

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codys|12 days ago

I'm not sure I follow. This outage seems like it occurred for less than 1 day. The post you link to is about having certificates expire after 45 days. What's the connection you see?

jeroenhd|12 days ago

Some CAs are experimenting with shorter, 7 day certificates as well.

still not an outage that would endanger anyone's ability to renew in time, but for small or extremely shitty CAs (and there are a lot of those) such an outage may take enough time to cause issues in theory I guess?

philprx|12 days ago

that's roughly 1/45th probable downtime window = 2.22% downtime probability (yeah, it's a figure not a real proba ;-) )

compared to say, roughly 1/365 probable downtime window for a 398 days cert lifetime = 0.25% downtime probability

let's pray you don't need to rotate when it's down...

Dan Geer famously said: "Dependency is the root cause of risk"...

PS: even stricter shortlived durations in some context:

Internal/Private 1 – 7 days Corporate VPNs, Internal apps

Ephemeral 5 mins – 1 hour Docker containers, CI/CD runners

TwoNineFive|12 days ago

You didn't read it or understand it.

aaomidi|12 days ago

You know there’s more than one CA?

TwoNineFive|12 days ago

Your license to website has been revoked.

jacquesm|12 days ago

You're joking, but still: that's one very possible outcome of both requiring centrally issued certificates for security reasons and browsers refusing to display websites without.

Effectively certificates are now a license to publish.