[jdross]

I am so confused when I read things like this because my Tesla model 3 is effectively self driving for me for months now. Hundreds of miles without intervention. No other car I can buy can do this yet

[thefounder]

That’s irresponsible at best give it doesn’t support full self driving. I never understood why end users are allowed to just beta test a car on public roads.

[maxdo]

Is it responsible to let users do auto speed and auto lane on a high speed highway without other autopilot features ?

Rollout both technologies at scale , and try to guess with one will cause more harm giving th fact there will be users in both cars trying to put legs on a steering wheel :

A stupid tech that will not even try to do safe things

Or software that is let’s say 4x less safe vs avg human but still very capable of doing maneuvering without hitting obvious walls etc ?

[helloplanets]

Legally Teslas are Advanced Driver Assistance Systems, while Waymos for example are Automated Driving Systems.

If you're driving a vehicle in the former category, you'll be on the hook for reckless driving if you aren't fully supervising the vehicle.

I'm pretty sure the original commenter was supervising the driving, though.

[tempestn]

Based on the self driving trials in my Model Y, I find it terrifying that anyone trusts it to drive them around. It required multiple interventions in a single 10-minute drive last time I tried it.

[loandbehold]

I'm using FSD for 100% of my driving and only need to intervene maybe once a week. It's usually because the car is not confident of too slow, not because it's doing something dangerous. Two years ago it was very different where almost every trip I needed to intervene to avoid crash. The progress they have made is truly amazing.

[tencentshill]

Oh well that's because you aren't using V18.58259a, I follow Elon's X and he said FSD is solved in that update. Clearly user error.

[geertj]

How long ago was that? I doubt it was the v14 software. The software has become scary good in the last few weeks, in my own subjective experience.

[tsimionescu]

You need only look at Tesla's attempts to compete with Waymo to see that you are just wrong. They tried to actually deploy fully autonomous Teslas, and it doesn't really work, it requires a human supervisor per car.

[loandbehold]

They are behind Waymo but they are getting there. They started giving fully autonomous drives since last month without safety driver in Austin. Tesla chose a harder camera-only approach but it's more scalable once it works.

[geertj]

Tesla have recently started introducing unsupervised cars cars as well.

[herewego]

You and I must not drive the same Tesla brand then because my Model Y is a terrifying experience when “self-driving” anywhere besides on highways.

I do wonder if folks who say Tesla’s FSD works well and safely are simply lacking a self-preservation instinct.

[square_usual]

Even on highways I've had to intervene maybe once every 50 miles as it will often miss exits for me. This is a 2025 Model 3 with the latest 14.2 update in a major US metro.

[chimpanzee]

Hundreds of miles is not an appropriate sample size for the technology's intended scale.

See this related article and discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47051546

[dvrj101]

"No other car I can buy can do this yet"

How many have you tested in your day to day life?

[Miserlou57]

"dude trust me"

[wolvoleo]

Can you watch a Netflix and have a beer while it's driving? No? Then it's not self driving.

[panick21_]

The data from their self driving pilots disagrees even if it works for you. Its simply not read to be a taxi that makes money by itself.

It might a nice feature for your car to have. But most people aren't paying for it, the conversion rate is very low.

So they are not making money from taxis and not making much money from software sales.

So does it matter that for you personally it drives you around sometimes?

Even if you price in a 4x increase in FSD buy conversion ratio, you can't explain the stock price.

And I say this as a former Tesla investor who assumed that conversion ratio would be better then it is. But for that reason (and many others) I couldn't justify the valuation and dropped the stock.

[TulliusCicero]

It's a very capable L2 system, it's just that it's been a very capable L2 system for a while now, and it still seems far away from reaching L4.

And of course, Musk's insistence that they don't need other sensor types like lidar or radar definitely looks like it's getting in the way.

[UltraSane]

I am confused as to why you think no interventions in "hundreds of miles" is good enough. It has to be no interventions for hundreds of thousands of miles WITH THE CAR BEING EMPTY to be good enough.

[Yossarrian22]

Because if you get in an accident you personally not Tesla are liable. Soon as I’m not liable for an accident when the computer is driving I’d sell my other cars and put my family in pink PT Cruisers if those were the only cars offering that

[Mawr]

Ask those who were killed while using FSD for their opinion on it before forming your own ;)

[Retric]

Months where you’re still required to be paying attention. Meanwhile 2 years ago Mercedes-Benz Drive Pilot a level 3 system let you sit and watch a movie without paying attention to the road.

Personally that’s way more useful for me even if they didn’t let you turn it on at highway speeds.

[akmarinov]

Actually Mercedes killed their Drive Pilot for now https://insideevs.com/news/784404/mercedes-level-3-drive-pil...

[panick21_]

People need to stop with this. The MB system was level 3 on like 0.1% of roads only in 5% of cases when you actually where on that road.

That's kind of like saying 'look this algorithm is awesome' if we feed it all the data in the optimal order.