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kevin061 | 11 days ago

State of the art literally just means that it is the latest and most capable, compared with peers.

As such, China launched DeepSeek R1, and they kind of broke the web, because it was pretty good compared with OpenAI, but also fully self-hostable. The self-hostable OpenAI and Meta models just aren't very good, Grok has nothing self-hostable, and I think Gemini only has a small model released.

Meanwhile China has the best self-hostable models, up there with Mistral.

So yes, Chinese AI is SOTA. Maybe not better than the American cloud-based models, but definitely SOTA for self-hostable ones.

Also I think you are wrong about "actual practice". Chinese AIs work great. They are not perfect, but OpenAI Codex also messes up a lot.

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