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vannevar | 11 days ago

If you substitute the word "corporation" for OpenClaw, you'll see many of these same problems have plagued us for decades. We've had artificial intelligence that makes critical decisions without specific human accountability for a long time, and we have yet to come up with a really effective way of dealing with them that isn't essentially closing the barn door after the horse has departed. The new LLM-driven AI just accelerates the issues that have been festering in society for many years, and scales them down to the level of individuals.

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manofmanysmiles|11 days ago

Or "institution", or "legal system", or "government."

vannevar|11 days ago

To some extent, yes. Government in particular. Both of them "close the loop" in the sense that they are self-sustaining (corporations through revenue, governments through taxes). Some institutions can be self-sustaining, but many lack strong independent feedback loops. Legal systems are pretty much all dependent on a parent government, or very large corporate entities (think big multi-year contracts).

peterldowns|11 days ago

you may enjoy reading Nick Land, he has written about very similar ideas, specifically the idea that corporations and even "capital" can be considered AI in many ways.

guyomes|11 days ago

The flow of ideas goes both ways between AI and economy. Notably, the economist Friedrich Hayek [1] was a source of inspiration in the development of AI.

He wrote in 1945 on the idea that the price mechanism serves to share and synchronise local and personal knowledge [2]. In 1952, he described the brain as a self-ordering classification system based on a network of connections [3]. This last work was cited as a source of inspiration by Frank Rosenblatt in his 1958 paper on the perceptron [4], one of the pioneering studies in machine learning.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Hayek

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Use_of_Knowledge_in_Societ...

[3]: https://archive.org/details/sensoryorderinqu00haye

[2]: https://www.ling.upenn.edu/courses/cogs501/Rosenblatt1958.pd...

cyberge99|10 days ago

A corporation is a very high barrier to entry. Well, it used to be, so the rate at which bad decisions could happen was tepid.

ModernMech|11 days ago

Yup, I have always viewed corporations as a kind of artificial intelligences -- they certainly don't think and behave like human intelligences, at least not healthy well-adjusted humans. If corporations were humans I feel they would have a personality disorder like psychopathy, and I'm starting to feel the same way about AI.