[almostdeadguy]

This is like "I like lighting off fireworks at the gas station because its fun, do you have a "safe" alternative?".

[BeetleB]

Don't conflate "fun" with "useful".

This is more like driving a car with little safety in the early days. Unsafe? For sure. People still did it. (Or electric bikes these days).

Or the early days of the web where almost no site had security. People still entered their CC number to buy stuff.

[sejje]

It's like driving a car today. It's the most dangerous thing I do, both for myself, and those around me.

The external consequences of driving are horrific. We just don't care.

[Extropy_]

That's a total mischaracterization. OP is saying there are no safer fireworks, so some damage will be done, but until someone develops safer and better fireworks, people will continue to use the existing ones

[SpicyLemonZest]

Or we will ban OpenClaw, as many jurisdictions ban fireworks, and start filing CFAA cases against people whose moltbots misbehave. I'm not happy about that option, I remember Aaron Swartz, but it's not acceptable for an industry to declare that they provide a useful service so they're not going to self-regulate.

[almostdeadguy]

My perspective is all AI needs to have way more legal controls around use and accountability, so I’m not particularly sympathetic to “rapidly growing new public ill is unsafe, but there’s no safer option”

[RIMR]

I mean, yeah, if you specifically like lighting off fireworks at the gas station, you should buy your own gas station, make sure it's far away from any other structures, ensure that the gas tanks and lines are completely empty, and then do whatever pyromanic stuff you feel like safely.

Same thing with OpenClaw. Install it on its own machine, put it on its own network, don't give it access to your actual identity or anything sensitive, and be careful not to let it do things that would harm you or others. Other than that, have fun playing with the agent and let it do things for you.

It's not a nuke. It can be contained. You don't have to trust it or give it access to anything you aren't comfortable being public.

[almostdeadguy]

There's absolutely no way to contain people who want to use this for misdeeds. They are just getting starting now and will make the web utter fucking hell if they are allowed to continue.