[galkk]

I briefly went thought the list - a lot of hosted systems (probably kubernetes underneath etc). This is not unique or anything.

The list is quite sus ;) did you know that cockroachdb is a German company? :) it’s in the list. And this is like 3rd company in the category that I was checking

https://eutechmap.com/company/cockroachdb

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On more sad note.

Europe still loves their old money, (hidden) class system and deeply entrenched bureaucracy way too much to allow some plebs to get rich that quickly.

European way of doing things to me feels like fundamentally incompatible with high pace way of doing things in software area.

Personally, I don’t believe that anything significant can come up from places other than US or China. About 10 years ago Russians were doing a lot of “own” stuff (clickhouse comes to mind first), but I suspect that isolation and brain drain will eventually capture them.

[drawfloat]

Asml is a European company. Arm (was) a European company. Novo Nordisk is a European company.

It’s ludicrous to pretend important ideas only come from the US and China.

[tasuki]

Most of the interesting programming languages come from Europe (OCaml, Haskell, Idris, Gleam these days). We're not short on ideas.

Yes we're not that good at creating mega-businesses. And when we manage, said businesses quickly run to the US.

[galkk]

I mentioned software, but didn’t said that I specifically focus on it.

Asml, arm, novo - neither of them are software companies. From what I’ve seen asml wouldn’t work without zeiss, another European company.

This still doesn’t invalidate my premise that software landscape is completely and totally dominated by us/Chinese companies, except probably gaming, where couple of hits can make a studio from any country a world class player, like CD Project Red

[simonask]

The fact is that Europe is a lot of things. You have the British class system (not that hidden), you have French and German bureaucracy, but you also have the unique combination of egalitarianism and mercantilism in Scandinavia and the Netherlands, and the zeal of Polish progressivism, shared by a number of their former east block neighbors.

There are places in Europe where you can easily achieve a higher standard of living (on average) than the US, and there are places where you can't.

I believe the reason that Europe is behind on commercial software is just economic: Solid, standardized solutions were available coming from US companies, and they were seen as low-risk for decades, so why would any company try to compete? Network effects apply to things like office suites and e-mail clients just as much as social media. Microsoft doesn't have any serious US or Chinese competitors in this space either.

That's not to say there aren't problems: The pipeline from startup to big tech firm is extremely difficult in Europe, largely because capital is much more conservative, stemming from the fact that European capital tends to be concentrated in things like pension funds. For years, successful European tech startups have at some point or another hooked into the US Bay Area ecosystem (capital, talent pool, etc.), because the local environment was way too risk-averse.

But I think you, like many, have succumbed to anti-European propaganda, which comes in a couple of forms: pro-corporatist, pro-Putinist, orientalist/sinophile, etc.

[galkk]

we live in an age where manufacturing of any kind, software, ai rule the world, and EUs output there is shrinking.

I think that in current day and age EU feels entitled to disproportionately higher standards of living to its output.

And given that, EUs awakening will be the rudest. US’s is going to be too, but different

I don’t want to share some personal grievances, but my negative perspective on EU (esp Germany) is from personal experience. I don’t think that I succumbed to propaganda and I’m certainly not a fan of P or X

[sehansen]

The capital situation is especially dumb. There's been a lot of debate recently in Denmark about why our pension funds invest a lot of money in US venture capital funds that then invest in Danish startups that have moved to the Bay Area. The same money could have been invested in the same startups here in Europe.