[jcranmer]

> What no one wants to hear is rust is destined for the same fate. If you want to see the future of rust, look at C++. Rust has a much better initial state, but the rules evolving the system (the governance model, the kinds of developers that work on it, etc.) are the same as C++ and so we should expect the same trajectory.

Dear lord that is not the case. The C++ standardization process is extremely different from Rust's specification process, and the resulting pathologies are extremely dissimilar. Hell, C is fairly close to C++ in terms of process, and yet it still has its own set of pathologies.

The C++ committee is dominated not by experts on compiler implementation, but by people looking to get their own proposals incorporated into the standard, and is structurally organized in such a way that it can be difficult for any group to feel empowered to actually reject a feature. It should be noted that in the most recent batch of C++ papers, there was effectively an implementers' revolt: https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2026/p39....

The Rust proposal process is much more ponderous, and when you take into account the lag between an accepted RFC and implementation and stabilization (and the fact that some accepted RFCs turn out to be unworkable and effectively get backed out without ever being stabilized), it's pretty clear that the actual development process is night-and-day different. For example, the Try trait in Rust still has yet to be stabilized, despite the RFC proposing it being introduced over nine years ago and a v2 RFC being accepted five years ago.

[alphazard]

This kind of "but for us it's different" thinking is a little amusing.

I don't care about the implementation process or the RFCs or what-have-you. If there is a democratic committee of humans that decides what goes in, and there is no bias for minimalism (e.g. 1/3 could strike down a proposal instead of 1/2) then the process will tend towards bloat.

[jcranmer]

The Rust RFC process requires essentially unanimous consent: there's no formal voting procedure, but the various teams can block any feature from going in.

But sure, keep on saying they're basically the same thing.