[ls612]

The arguments in support of this are pure emotional “fur die kinder” slop straight out of the 1930s, and you don’t beat emotion with facts. The world is heading to a very dark place because of information technology and some of us have ancestors that suffered under the 20th century’s (Stasi/Gestapo/McCarthy/Red Guards/etc) and know what the outcomes of totalitarianism, even that unaided by modern computers and AI surveillance, are.

[kelseyfrog]

The arguments against it read like The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas.

Engage in cooperation with finding solutions or people will ignore your stonewalling and you won't get anything you want.

[ls612]

I’ve come to conclude, albeit not emotionally accept, that totalitarian parties and states will outcompete (what a euphemism) more liberty minded systems because of the sea change in the technological environment that cheap compute, storage, and asymmetric encryption have caused. The only question will be how aligned the interests of those winners are to or against mine.

To translate it into your terms, I don’t think the people pushing this will be satisfied with anything less than a Chinese government level apparatus against the people and that that is the only solution they will accept regardless of any others that are put forth in good faith or otherwise. They have no incentive to pursue any other goal.

Vae Victus.