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readthenotes1 | 10 days ago

Does that mean Europe will get a sustainable lead on irreproachable Science?

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tensor|10 days ago

I think that depends on a lot of factors. E.g. will there be a turn around in the US, and if so how fast? Will Europe and other nations increase science funding to account for all the new talent that wants to come? Will that funding be permanent, not just a one time effort?

Also, if the US restores their democracy and also decides to value science again, will the salaries for scientists abroad compete enough to prevent scientists moving back.

To maintain a sustainable lead the money and investment has to be substantial and long term.

cogman10|10 days ago

Europe isn't the one to watch, IMO. It's China. China has already significantly increased it's R&D funding and in some areas, particularly solar and battery tech, it's world leading.

China also has been playing the long game with the build out of it's technology capabilities. I could very easily see them doing the same for medicine. They aren't afraid of losing money on investment for a particularly long period of time. They are currently thinking in decades and not quarters.

xienze|10 days ago

> Also, if the US restores their democracy

We don’t have elections anymore? When did this happen?

ProjectArcturis|10 days ago

No, the US still spends 5x what Europe does on biomedical research, measured as a percent of GDP.

tensor|10 days ago

For now. US science is still in decline. Major works by places like Moderna have been denied permission to continue, for example. You can't assume that funding will not continue to decrease at a rapid rate in the US.

seanmcdirmid|10 days ago

China is putting up the money, not Europe. Europe only gets a slice if they invest in it.

tick_tock_tick|9 days ago

lol no it's Europe dude for the same reason they are lagging in everything they will lag in this why would you think otherwise.

On a more serious note any of the freedoms people are talking about disappearing in the USA were either already long gone or a decade further down the road of dying in Europe. Hell they are routinely jailing people for speech now.

commandlinefan|10 days ago

For all the recent hand-wringing about the U.S. becoming less welcoming to immigrants, the U.S. is still far, far ahead of any European country in terms of immigration opportunities. If you're qualified to come to anywhere in Europe, you were qualified to come to the United States years or decades ago.

ronnier|10 days ago

No. Europe is in decline. Asia will.