Yeah this is more likely than cancer, and is a potential side effect of anything that stimulates the immune system, including real antigen-carrying vaccines.
I'm less certain, many if not most lung cancers seems to follow chronic inflammation in the lungs.
The classic example is asbestos related mesothelioma. "Frustrated phagocytosis" is the name for the way macrophages become locked in a never ending spiral of eat, die poison loops around the asbestos.
Do we really want macrophages to go into high gear? Will we make sure no one who has it has been exposed every to any asbestos?
What about other triggers of frustrated phagocytosis? People who commute by subway (tiny metal particles).
The point isn't to say that this is a bad idea necessarily but that I'm not sure this sounds so much safer than regular vaccination.
Indeed, I wonder whether the vaccine content matters at all in current vaccines. We could probably just inject people with the adjuvants and get the same result.
> I wonder whether the vaccine content matters at all in current vaccines.
The target does matter, that is the basis for the whole technology, and the thing most predictive of efficacy.
That's why the flu shots often don't work and the shots for smallpox and measles do, the flu is a more rapidly mutating target.
Going crazy with the adjuvants was popular during the pandemic when it became clear that the virus had mutated (the target protein), but no one wanted to do R&D for a new target.
Counting white blood cells became a proxy for efficacy, and you can manipulate that stat with adjuvants.
The content clearly matters, and efficacy is tracked (this year it was poor because the eventual pandemic flu strain was a H3N2 virus which mutate rapidly)[0]. This was despite WHO updating the recommendations at the last hour in April/May 2025.
But critically this isn't as important as people think. The primary goal of the flu vaccination is of course to temper spread of the main viruses that season. But it's also to build people's immune library of exposure to flu viruses.
Recall that the 1918 "Spanish" flu was so terrible not because it was intrinsically a worse virus but that it was one which many younger generations had not been previously exposed.
COVID has meant that many younger generations again has a much smaller library of past exposure.
alphazard|10 days ago
rustyhancock|10 days ago
The classic example is asbestos related mesothelioma. "Frustrated phagocytosis" is the name for the way macrophages become locked in a never ending spiral of eat, die poison loops around the asbestos.
Do we really want macrophages to go into high gear? Will we make sure no one who has it has been exposed every to any asbestos?
What about other triggers of frustrated phagocytosis? People who commute by subway (tiny metal particles).
The point isn't to say that this is a bad idea necessarily but that I'm not sure this sounds so much safer than regular vaccination.
nrds|10 days ago
alphazard|10 days ago
The target does matter, that is the basis for the whole technology, and the thing most predictive of efficacy. That's why the flu shots often don't work and the shots for smallpox and measles do, the flu is a more rapidly mutating target.
Going crazy with the adjuvants was popular during the pandemic when it became clear that the virus had mutated (the target protein), but no one wanted to do R&D for a new target. Counting white blood cells became a proxy for efficacy, and you can manipulate that stat with adjuvants.
rustyhancock|10 days ago
But critically this isn't as important as people think. The primary goal of the flu vaccination is of course to temper spread of the main viruses that season. But it's also to build people's immune library of exposure to flu viruses.
Recall that the 1918 "Spanish" flu was so terrible not because it was intrinsically a worse virus but that it was one which many younger generations had not been previously exposed.
COVID has meant that many younger generations again has a much smaller library of past exposure.
[0] https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/influenza-vaccines/estimated-effe...
pavel_lishin|10 days ago