[p-e-w]

China has a global reputational problem that will take decades to fix.

The US has a global reputational advantage that will take decades to fall behind China, regardless of what any US administration does.

Nobody sane is going to believe rhetoric claiming that the US is somehow worse than a country that keeps 1.5 million people in concentration camps, and where people work 70 hours per week, no matter how many times Reddit tells them so.

[redserk]

This reads like vague posturing instead of accepting (or even just looking at...) the reality on the ground.

I have about a dozen friends spread across 8 different mid-to-high level universities around the country in biomed. Europe and Canada are definitely a preference but China is entering conversation and has been for the last few years.

The alternative is to abandon an entire career or field of interest because the funding is held up by irrational national political policy.

[light_hue_1]

> The US has a global reputational advantage that will take decades to fall behind China, regardless of what any US administration does.

As a former academic at a top US university, no, the US no longer has that strong reputation. 10 years ago, if you were someone, you wanted to come to the US. The best students in the world came and stayed.

Things are radically different now. Much of the best talent no longer comes and when they do come they leave. It's night and day.

It's not a binary choice. It's not the US or China. It's the US or Canada/EU/etc. And if you're from China, you used to stay, now you leave.

This isn't reddit. I saw this first hand.

[p-e-w]

> It's not a binary choice. It's not the US or China. It's the US or Canada/EU/etc.

This discussion thread is very specifically about the US vs China, however.

[drnick1]

> As a former academic at a top US university, no, the US no longer has that strong reputation.

I find that hard to believe. Applications to top U.S. colleges and graduate schools are at an all-time high and acceptance rates keep falling.

No one that has an Ivy League offer or even a state school like UCLA or Michigan would go to Canada or Europe, except perhaps for Oxford and Cambridge.

[deaux]

> The US has a global reputational advantage that will take decades to fall behind China, regardless of what any US administration does.

Whatever makes you sleep at night.

> no matter how many times Reddit tells them so.

Oh god, are we still stuck in that "Reddit is a niche US nerd cave" mindset? In most countries where the youth speaks good English you'll see more under 30s on Reddit than on Facebook or Twitter.

On both counts, you're too stuck in your ways. Times have changed, gotta keep up.

[mr_00ff00]

This is untrue: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/reddit-us...

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/facebook-...

Reddit has far fewer users in most countries outside the US than facebook.

Also, I don’t like the current US administration, but you cannot make the claim somehow China is better, especially to minorities.

[King-Aaron]

> The US has a global reputational advantage that will take decades to fall behind China

I don't think this is the case at all.

[p-e-w]

People already said that 25 years ago when the US started officially torturing prisoners. And 25 years later, highly qualified immigrants are still lining up to move to the US.

[Hikikomori]

>The US has a global reputational advantage that will take decades to fall behind China, regardless of what any US administration does.

Only if you ignore everything the US has done to the rest of the world.

[cpursley]

What nonsense. The "rest of the world" understands the message loud and clear: China shows up to do business. America shows up to bomb. It's a pretty reasonable choice. Anyways, people now ant a BYD, not a Chevy - because its a better car.

[rossjudson]

We're close to the tenth year of the era of Trump, so a decade of reputational loss has already taken place. It's the tenth year of leadership by men who should be home yelling at televisions and cheating on golf courses, not leading countries.