[tatersolid]

[citation needed]

Please stop with the hyperbole. Shit is bad enough; more fake news from any direction doesn’t help.

[jesterson]

I am not sure where hyperbole is - if your believe it is "fake news", it's your choice.

Do chinese apps make use of all data they can access? Absolutely. Do western apps make use of all data they can access? Absolutely.

Both concepts are evil. Talking one is evil while dropping off the other is skew of discussion towards vilifying one side and omitting the subject.

[Pay08]

China and Chinese companies flaunt every single law that at all hinders them, IP law being the typical example. The EU has the Privacy Shield agreement with the USA. Such an agreement with China would be effectively impossible, since even if it existed, they'd simply ignore it. People criticise Five Eyes, and for good reason, but it's existence at least means that intelligence agencies are willing to follow domestic law.

Not to mention the use of the word "Western", which is the kind of bullshit I could write a smaller book about.