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Daegalus | 10 days ago

Great post, I did a similar switch mid last year.

Hetzner was something I already used, so I just doubled down. I have a single OVH instance where I ma playing with Openclaw, but that was because I was having issues with Hetzner that day on their new instance page (was fixed the next day)

I use Bunny for my CDN, I just wish they have the capabilityt to route IPv4 and IPv6 traffic to IPv6 only origins. If your origin doesn't have IPv4, it wont route IPv4 to an IPv6 origin. Something Cloudflare could do. Still a shame its not a high priority.

For Domains, I am still on porkbun, but i have like 20 domains, and moving them to EU registrars would be pricey. I will do it, just not looking forward to it. Also there are few registrars tht handle all the TLDs i have, nothing like Porkbun. I use dot.bs to optimize my registrars and keep track of them.

I self-host a lot, but I haven't done github. I have a Forgejo instance with working CI/CD, but there are some painpoints mirroring 100s of repos and updating PATs. Also I minimize how much critical infra I host. I do it as my day job. Don't want to do it so much at home, and I still do some between NAS and self-hosted services I do run.

I do plan to try out Hanko and Nebius, those sound good. and Hit up scaleway to see if there is stuff I want to use there. I know Scaleway can be pricey.

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throwaway772549|10 days ago

How has your experience with Bunny been? I'm quite split on it.

I used to work for a business in a pretty competitive area, where tactics like fake DMCA requests and abuse cases are routinely used to attempt to take down information, be it from Google, or from the CDN/hosting provider. While at first Bunny support seemed understanding of it, later they unceremoniously blocked the account on the basis of too many complaints having been filed, despite all of them being responded to in due time and being proven false.

OTOH, their support staff would respond lightning-fast, which was a breath of fresh air compared to other CDNs we used before.

I could see myself using Bunny for personal projects, or some non-vital business, but probably not for anything with lots of competition.

Daegalus|10 days ago

To be honest, it's been flawless but since I mostly use it for personal or self hosting, I haven't had or deal with your situation. I have had to contact support and they are very fast.

I also use it to hide and protect my hetzner server.

It works well. My only gripe is the ipv6 thing

r_lee|10 days ago

it's a super cheap "CDN" that runs on Hetzner and random hosts or their colo, it's not as proper as the other ones.

for anything DMCA heavy maybe just buying dedicated servers or something instead could work?

chias|7 days ago

From a practical standpoint, would you consider "Google Germany GmbH" to essentially be just a reference to Google, beholden to everything that matters to Alphabet headquartered in the United States?

If so, Nebius is just a fancy name for Yandex, beholden to everything that matters to Yandex LLC headquartered in Russia. They just chose a distinctly different name, presumably to avoid the association. When we were doing a deep-dive into cloud GPU providers, legal counsel veto'd them for this reason.

grokx|10 days ago

Like the author, we self-host our git repos at work with Gitea, and it's working very well and brings a rather large set of features you'd expect from a GH alternative.

A great thing is that it's almost fully compatible with Github actions, so migrating an existing CI/CD should not be too painful. If you plan to move, make sure to read this first: https://docs.gitea.com/usage/actions/comparison#missing-feat...

For sure, it requires a bit of maintenance, mainly for updates, but that's all.

huijzer|10 days ago

Same can be said for Forgejo but then it’s not VC backed

rhdunn|10 days ago

I'm using gitolite + cgit for local repositories. I tried Gitea for a while but didn't like the forced user/repo flat structure inherited from being a GitHub clone, and didn't need the additional features that Gitea/Forgejo provide.

sixtyj|10 days ago

For CDN, you can try CDN77, they have servers all around the world. No affil, just they are based in Europe (Prague) :)

Daegalus|10 days ago

Right now, I would only switch from Bunny if they allow IPv6-only origin servers and route IPv4 traffic to it.

Also no pricing and a "Talk to sales" only link. Which usually means super expensive, or B2B only. I pay like 10 cents a month on Bunny something

wolfhumble|10 days ago

> For Domains, I am still on porkbun, but i have like 20 domains, and moving them to EU registrars would be pricey. I will do it, just not looking forward to it. Also there are few registrars tht handle all the TLDs i have, nothing like Porkbun.

For .com domains, if the rationale is data sovereignty, GDPR simplicity, avoiding dependence on a handful of American hyperscalers, then from an operational standpoint I don’t see much value in using European-based registrars. Ultimately, these domains remain under U.S. control regardless. If the focus is 'stubbornness' [one of the points in the article], then of course you have other priorities.

Personally I am all for data sovereignty etc, but very seldom for country boycotts.

dddw|10 days ago

For domains i find Openprovider.eu is pretty cheap imo, especially if you have a lot and buy in a package it is nearly costprice. Their DNS isn't great though, good enough for personal projects but not for business, would set that somewhere else.

Daegalus|10 days ago

Hmm, seems the good prices is only if you subscribe to their subscription. 5 euro a month or 50 euro a year, then the prices get slashed. Othewise their prices are expensive.

locknitpicker|9 days ago

> For domains i find Openprovider.eu is pretty cheap imo

A quick check of their pricing refutes your claim. They do list cheap domains, but it's due to promotional discounts on the first registration that they follow by charging a huge markup in renewal fees.

Case in point, I have a few domains that I have been paying namecheap peanuts to maintain, and the same domains are listed in openprovider.eu to cost between 5 and 10x as much to renew.

jhogervorst|10 days ago

Agree! If you have a number of domains and can justify a membership, they Openprovider (NL) is a good option.

Some foreign extensions are quite expensive though. I happened to be looking into that yesterday, and Netim (FR) seems to be a good option for that. For the two extensions I need, they were among the cheapest with renewals.

indigodaddy|10 days ago

Why do you need to move from Porkbun though? I don't get it.

Daegalus|10 days ago

Porkbun is based in Portland, Oregon, USA. I'm trying to move my infra to EU only stuff.

It was fine when I lived near Bellevue, Washington. And I did live 30 years in the US but I want to divest myself from that shitshow.

0123456789ABCDE|10 days ago

gp, like OP, are moving away from USA based infrastructure.

you ca see this on the footer of porkbun.com:

> Made in the USA

chb|10 days ago

How does dot.bs make money? The about page and FAQ don’t explain what they’re monetizing.

Daegalus|10 days ago

Why would it need to make money, it's just a registry of information and a small about page with a list of entries. It probably runs on sqlite on a single $5 VM. Or a single db.

Other than that, maybe ads

the_duke|10 days ago

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willy__|10 days ago

Do you have a source for this? First time I am hearing about that one. The German hosting CEO circle is pretty intimate and I gathered that Martin Hetzner is still around.

notsylver|10 days ago

You might be confused with their new-ish US datacenter? Hetzner is still European-owned.

ahartmetz|10 days ago

I don't find anything about that - I think it's not true.

Daegalus|10 days ago

Uhh, can I get a source on this? I can not find a single mention of this anywhere and it seems the company is still independent and German.

Aldipower|10 days ago

This is simply incorrect.

rollulus|10 days ago

[citation needed]