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cb321 | 8 days ago

As @SkiFire correctly observes[^1], off-by-1 problems are more fundamental than 0-based or 1-based indices, but the latter still vary enough that some kind of discrimination is needed.

For many years (decades?) now, I've been using "index" for 0-based and "number" for 1-based as in "column index" for a C/Python style [ix] vs. "column number" for a shell/awk/etc. style $1 $2. Not sure this is the best terminology, but it is nice to have something consistent. E.g., "offset" for 0-based indices means "off" and even the letter "o" in some case becomes "the zero of some range". So, "offset" might be better than "index" for 0-based.

[^1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47100056

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matklad|8 days ago

Ha! I also use `line_number = line_index + 1` convention!

cb321|8 days ago

:-)

If it helps anyone explain the SkiFire point any better, I like to analogize it to an I-bar cursor vs. a block cursor for text entry. An I-bar is unambiguously "between characters" while a block cursor is not. So, there are questions that arise for block cursors that basically never arise for I-bar cursors. When just looking at an integer like 2 or 3, there is no cursor at all. So, we must instead rely on names/conventions/assumptions with their attendant issues.

To be clear, I liked the SkiFire explanation, but having multiple ways to describe/think about a problem is usually helpful.

throwaway27448|8 days ago

Ordinal is nice because it explicitly starts at 1.

adrian_b|8 days ago

Nit pick: only in few human languages the ordinal numbers start at 1.

In most modern languages, the ordinal numbers start at 2. In most old languages, and also in English, the ordinal numbers start at 3.

The reason for this is the fact that ordinal numbers have been created only recently, a few thousand years ago.

Before that time, there were special words only for certain positions of a sequence, i.e. for the first and for the last element and sometimes also for a few elements adjacent to those.

In English, "first", "second" and "last", are not ordinal numbers, but they are used for the same purpose as ordinal numbers, though more accurately is to say that the ordinal numbers are used for the same purpose with these words, as the ordinal numbers were added later.

The ancient Indo-European languages had a special word for the other element of a pair, i.e. the one that is not the first element of a pair. This word was used for what is now named "second". In late Latin, the original word that meant "the other of a pair" has been replaced with a word meaning "the following", which has been eventually also taken by English through French in the form of "second".