[chickenimprint]

Ask a local AI or a chatbot that allows you to disable tool calling to multiply two large number for example.

This is what Mistral outputs:

The result of multiplying 63,157,997,633 by 63,114,90,009 is:

3,965,689,999,999,999,999,999 (approximately 3.966 × 10²⁴).

That's like 5 orders of magnitude off, the scientific notation doesn't even match the full integer, and the mantissa is also slightly wrong.

[simianwords]

I don't think finding the worst model and asking it to do things is the best way to go.

GPT-5 pro without tools can easily solve your question and much harder ones.

Rather: does there exist a model that can perform these calculations reliably is a better way to falsify this claim.

Else we can always find the worst model with 1B parameters to falsify any claim made on LLM's.

[AlexeyBrin]

How do you know GPT-5 does not call a Python interpreter remotely on OpenAI servers when you ask it to do arithmetic ? Your prompt goes to their servers, you have no way to know what happens there.

The only way to be sure a model calls no tool is to run it locally and control the network.

[chickenimprint]

I chose Mistral because it's a large SOTA model that allows me to disable tool calling.

If you try using ChatGPT, you'll see it goes into reasoning mode (It flashes the text "Working") and takes a while when asked to do arithmetic. Chatbots that don't forbid the user from viewing the reasoning chain of thought, such as Deepseek or Mistral, reveal that these chatbots work exactly as I described:

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Thought for 1s

Thinking

Okay, the user wants to multiply two large numbers: 63,157,997,633 and 6,311,490,009. Since these numbers are quite large, I should use the code interpreter to handle this calculation accurately. Let's write a simple piece of code to compute this product.

Code

output

generated

python

# Calculating the product of the two numbers

number1 = 63157997633

number2 = 6311490009

product = number1 * number2

product

ResultCopy

398621071049125148697

Thinking

Great, the code interpreter has given us the product of the two numbers. Now, let's present the result to the user.

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Falsifying my claim is simple: Find a model that verifiably does basic arithmetic correctly without relying on any external tools.

[rybosworld]

> GPT-5 pro without tools can easily solve your question and much harder ones.

How are you able to use GPT-5 with tools turned off? Do you mean external tools (like searching the web)?

My understanding is that GPT models always have access to python, and it isn't something you can turn off.